[KC Chiefs] Week 5 vs. Indianapolis

[SB Shock]

Onside kicks are recovered about 20% by the kicking team when a team is expecting it. Unexpected onside kicks are recovered 60% of the time by the kicking team.

Onside kicks are given to the receiving team 100% of the time when it doesn't go 10 yards.

And your point being? Still doesn't change the numbers on onside kicks as that is already factored in.

[SB Shock]

Oakland (2-3) is about to shock SD (2-3) with a 34-27 victory to help out the Chiefs.

Broncos (2-3) lose to the Ravens.

KC has a 1.5 game lead in the West.

[ShoxFan963]

Onside kicks are recovered about 20% by the kicking team when a team is expecting it. Unexpected onside kicks are recovered 60% of the time by the kicking team.

Onside kicks are given to the receiving team 100% of the time when it doesn't go 10 yards.

And your point being? Still doesn't change the numbers on onside kicks as that is already factored in.

The kick was perfect and we were in position to get it until it went 8 yards and made a u-turn. Very unlucky.

[newshock1234]

Bowe sucks, Cassel sucks more

[shockmonster]

Last year the Chiefs were one of the leaders in the NFL in dropped passes. Psychologically when receivers drop passes the QB is affected in the same way as a pitcher when he hits corners and the umpire squeezes him and his defense makes errors. They try harder to be perfect and often the opposite happens. While I'm still not sold on Cassel's play, it is difficult to evaluate when his top receiver (wide out) has bad hands.

[jazztrane]

If someone told me at the beginning of the season we'd be saying "should have won that one" at Indy I wouldn't have believed em! I'm disappointed but this team is showing a lot of improvement. I think the key play was Bowe's dropped TD, KC had the momentum, went for the quick strike and it absolutely should have been 13-9. They take the lead, D gets fired up, instead Bowe drops it (inexcusable!), game is tied and KC doesn't get another first down til the last drive.

And its easy to say in hindsight to kick early and make it 3-3, but I think Haley must have told the team we're going to be aggressive, take some chances and challenge them to step up if it didn't work. Still I was saying kick, and at the very least run on 4th as they were running it down Indy's throat at that point. And even then, as Cassell was trying to thread it into Bowe, didn't it look like Moeaki was breaking open in the right corner?

I didn't catch it at the time but read today Albert went out with an injury and Waters moved to T? That plus Richardson in there had me worried but the o line didn't play awful, just not quite good enough.

This team's a big play WR and another pass rusher away from being pretty good, though. I can't remember the last time Peyton was that frustrated, he had to be perfect to complete a pass and considering the young secondary I thought they played great. I'm very excited to have this group around, hopefully for a long time (anyone remember Lewis, Ross, Cherry and Porter playing together for years?). I see no reason they can't beat Houston on the road and go to 4-1, which still puts them in solid first place.

[wsushox1]

Arenas got abused time and time again by Collie.

Hats off to Peyton for seeing that matchup and taking advantage of it.

[newshock1234]

If someone told me at the beginning of the season we'd be saying "should have won that one" at Indy I wouldn't have believed em! I'm disappointed but this team is showing a lot of improvement. I think the key play was Bowe's dropped TD, KC had the momentum, went for the quick strike and it absolutely should have been 13-9. They take the lead, D gets fired up, instead Bowe drops it (inexcusable!), game is tied and KC doesn't get another first down til the last drive.

And its easy to say in hindsight to kick early and make it 3-3, but I think Haley must have told the team we're going to be aggressive, take some chances and challenge them to step up if it didn't work. Still I was saying kick, and at the very least run on 4th as they were running it down Indy's throat at that point. And even then, as Cassell was trying to thread it into Bowe, didn't it look like Moeaki was breaking open in the right corner?

I didn't catch it at the time but read today Albert went out with an injury and Waters moved to T? That plus Richardson in there had me worried but the o line didn't play awful, just not quite good enough.

This team's a big play WR and another pass rusher away from being pretty good, though. I can't remember the last time Peyton was that frustrated, he had to be perfect to complete a pass and considering the young secondary I thought they played great. I'm very excited to have this group around, hopefully for a long time (anyone remember Lewis, Ross, Cherry and Porter playing together for years?). I see no reason they can't beat Houston on the road and go to 4-1, which still puts them in solid first place.

You forgot to mention an average QB as well, because i seriously think Cassel is the worst starting QB in the league.

[SB Shock]

If someone told me at the beginning of the season we'd be saying "should have won that one" at Indy I wouldn't have believed em! I'm disappointed but this team is showing a lot of improvement. I think the key play was Bowe's dropped TD, KC had the momentum, went for the quick strike and it absolutely should have been 13-9. They take the lead, D gets fired up, instead Bowe drops it (inexcusable!), game is tied and KC doesn't get another first down til the last drive.

And its easy to say in hindsight to kick early and make it 3-3, but I think Haley must have told the team we're going to be aggressive, take some chances and challenge them to step up if it didn't work. Still I was saying kick, and at the very least run on 4th as they were running it down Indy's throat at that point. And even then, as Cassell was trying to thread it into Bowe, didn't it look like Moeaki was breaking open in the right corner?

I didn't catch it at the time but read today Albert went out with an injury and Waters moved to T? That plus Richardson in there had me worried but the o line didn't play awful, just not quite good enough.

This team's a big play WR and another pass rusher away from being pretty good, though. I can't remember the last time Peyton was that frustrated, he had to be perfect to complete a pass and considering the young secondary I thought they played great. I'm very excited to have this group around, hopefully for a long time (anyone remember Lewis, Ross, Cherry and Porter playing together for years?). I see no reason they can't beat Houston on the road and go to 4-1, which still puts them in solid first place.

You forgot to mention an average QB as well, because i seriously think Cassel is the worst starting QB in the league.

Don't let emotions cloud logical thinking because you would be wrong. Cassel QB rating is 74.0. There are alot worse QB out there:

Joe Flaco (Bal)
Alex Smith (SF)
Bruce Gradkowski (Oak)
Sam Bradford (STL)
Brett Favre (GB) - who would have thought that, probably should have stayed retired.

Todd Collins is not on this list (yet, mainly because he doesn't have enough attempts). But he was 6 for 16, 32 yards and 4 INT yesterday for the Bears (5.9 rating for the season).

I watched Romo yesterday and he didn't look very good. Horrible decision and passes. 3 INT.

Cassel has crap for WR and offensive line that is below average.

[newshock1234]

If someone told me at the beginning of the season we'd be saying "should have won that one" at Indy I wouldn't have believed em! I'm disappointed but this team is showing a lot of improvement. I think the key play was Bowe's dropped TD, KC had the momentum, went for the quick strike and it absolutely should have been 13-9. They take the lead, D gets fired up, instead Bowe drops it (inexcusable!), game is tied and KC doesn't get another first down til the last drive.

And its easy to say in hindsight to kick early and make it 3-3, but I think Haley must have told the team we're going to be aggressive, take some chances and challenge them to step up if it didn't work. Still I was saying kick, and at the very least run on 4th as they were running it down Indy's throat at that point. And even then, as Cassell was trying to thread it into Bowe, didn't it look like Moeaki was breaking open in the right corner?

I didn't catch it at the time but read today Albert went out with an injury and Waters moved to T? That plus Richardson in there had me worried but the o line didn't play awful, just not quite good enough.

This team's a big play WR and another pass rusher away from being pretty good, though. I can't remember the last time Peyton was that frustrated, he had to be perfect to complete a pass and considering the young secondary I thought they played great. I'm very excited to have this group around, hopefully for a long time (anyone remember Lewis, Ross, Cherry and Porter playing together for years?). I see no reason they can't beat Houston on the road and go to 4-1, which still puts them in solid first place.

You forgot to mention an average QB as well, because i seriously think Cassel is the worst starting QB in the league.

Don't let emotions cloud logical thinking because you would be wrong. Cassel QB rating is 74.0. There are alot worse QB out there:

Joe Flaco (Bal)
Alex Smith (SF)
Bruce Gradkowski (Oak)
Sam Bradford (STL)
Brett Favre (GB) - who would have thought that, probably should have stayed retired.

Todd Collins is not on this list (yet, mainly because he doesn't have enough attempts). But he was 6 for 16, 32 yards and 4 INT yesterday for the Bears (5.9 rating for the season).

I watched Romo yesterday and he didn't look very good. Horrible decision and passes. 3 INT.

Cassel has crap for WR and offensive line that is below average.

I would take any of those QB over Cassel by the way, yea I agree our WRs suck, but our line is not that bad, Cassel has only gotten sacked twice this year, and he has plenty of time. Also its funny that Bowe was a 1,000 yard WR until Cassel gets here, and all a sudden Cassel cant do what Tyler Thigpen could even do and that is pass him the ball.

[shockmonster]

Farve is doing so bad that they thought he needed Moss to throw to. Cassell did pretty well the year that he threw to Moss. Good wide Receivers make a huge difference. Chambers is not very good and Bowe isn't much better.

The Chiefs best receivers are rookies and I don't think that he has much confidence in them yet. When Trent Green was QB who was he looking for most of the time when pressure was on. He looked for Gonzales who caught 10 passes a game. When pressure is coming, who does Cassell look to and knows they will come through? I did like zero interceptions yesterday.

I doubt that you'll change your mind once it's formed but I think that there are a lot of variables involved that you're not thinking about.

[SB Shock]

If someone told me at the beginning of the season we'd be saying "should have won that one" at Indy I wouldn't have believed em! I'm disappointed but this team is showing a lot of improvement. I think the key play was Bowe's dropped TD, KC had the momentum, went for the quick strike and it absolutely should have been 13-9. They take the lead, D gets fired up, instead Bowe drops it (inexcusable!), game is tied and KC doesn't get another first down til the last drive.

And its easy to say in hindsight to kick early and make it 3-3, but I think Haley must have told the team we're going to be aggressive, take some chances and challenge them to step up if it didn't work. Still I was saying kick, and at the very least run on 4th as they were running it down Indy's throat at that point. And even then, as Cassell was trying to thread it into Bowe, didn't it look like Moeaki was breaking open in the right corner?

I didn't catch it at the time but read today Albert went out with an injury and Waters moved to T? That plus Richardson in there had me worried but the o line didn't play awful, just not quite good enough.

This team's a big play WR and another pass rusher away from being pretty good, though. I can't remember the last time Peyton was that frustrated, he had to be perfect to complete a pass and considering the young secondary I thought they played great. I'm very excited to have this group around, hopefully for a long time (anyone remember Lewis, Ross, Cherry and Porter playing together for years?). I see no reason they can't beat Houston on the road and go to 4-1, which still puts them in solid first place.

You forgot to mention an average QB as well, because i seriously think Cassel is the worst starting QB in the league.

Don't let emotions cloud logical thinking because you would be wrong. Cassel QB rating is 74.0. There are alot worse QB out there:

Joe Flaco (Bal)
Alex Smith (SF)
Bruce Gradkowski (Oak)
Sam Bradford (STL)
Brett Favre (GB) - who would have thought that, probably should have stayed retired.

Todd Collins is not on this list (yet, mainly because he doesn't have enough attempts). But he was 6 for 16, 32 yards and 4 INT yesterday for the Bears (5.9 rating for the season).

I watched Romo yesterday and he didn't look very good. Horrible decision and passes. 3 INT.

Cassel has crap for WR and offensive line that is below average.

I would take any of those QB over Cassel by the way, yea I agree our WRs suck, but our line is not that bad, Cassel has only gotten sacked twice this year, and he has plenty of time.

Really starting to lose any cred. Sacked 3 times, hits 13 times - no pressure. Albert stands there and watches his guy run around him. I suppose Cassel is scrambling all the time for his daily excercise.

If you want Kerry Collins, well your S.....

Also its funny that Bowe was a 1,000 yard WR until Cassel gets here, and all a sudden

Two words for you - Tony Gonzales

Bowe is not producing because he's on the leaderboard in dropped passes every year.