Big surprise, the "recovery" didn't work as expect

[SB Shock]

My guess is that they didn't want to rush all that money out at one time. You wouldn't like it if all the money was rushed out and was spent in a flurry without anyone keeping track.

from some of the government accounting reports I have read so far - they have no idea where the money has gone.

I think Congress has become is the new 21st century mob - organized and legal crime.

[RoyalShock]

I think Congress has become is the new 21st century mob - organized and legal crime.

The entire federal government became an organized crime unit in 1913.

Theft through income tax and inflation via monetary policy dictated by a private, central bank and through the elimination of the gold standard.

[ShockCity]

I think Congress has become is the new 21st century mob - organized and legal crime.

The entire federal government became an organized crime unit in 1913.

Theft through income tax and inflation via monetary policy dictated by a private, central bank and through the elimination of the gold standard.

I agree. We should go back to 1912! Who's with me? :roll:

[RoyalShock]

No surprise that you support high taxes, big government by, of and for the bankers/corporations and an unstable, inflationary currency.

Does the Constitution mean anything to you?

Funny how you throw around the elitist label in a derogatory fashion yet you support the actions and policies that give the elite more and more power over your life.

I'd call you a slave if it weren't so obvious that you're in love with your master.

[ShockCity]

No surprise that you support high taxes, big government by, of and for the bankers/corporations and an unstable, inflationary currency.

Does the Constitution mean anything to you?

Funny how you throw around the elitist label in a derogatory fashion yet you support the actions and policies that give the elite more and more power over your life.

I'd call you a slave if it weren't so obvious that you're in love with your master.

I feel sorry for you.

[rZ]

No surprise that you support high taxes, big government by, of and for the bankers/corporations and an unstable, inflationary currency.

Does the Constitution mean anything to you?

Funny how you throw around the elitist label in a derogatory fashion yet you support the actions and policies that give the elite more and more power over your life.

I'd call you a slave if it weren't so obvious that you're in love with your master.

I feel sorry for you.

You are a contradiction. In multiple threads you go from stating that both the right and left are crooks, to spouting the same left wing rhetoric over and over. You rarely have a valid point, and those that you do have, you defend not with a well thought out and rational argument, but by either questioning and attacking the intelligence and character of those who disagree with you or with the classic "well, the previous 8 years were bad because bush is dumb" argument.

Your first defense only shows the weakness of your platform. Good ideas dont require attacking the opposition, they only require a clear statement to the validity of that idea. Regarding your second defense, I'm sure a majority of people would agree to being dissatisfied with the bush administration and republican dominated congress. That being said, this administration should have learned from the mistakes of the bush years, not be inspired by them.

As far as your attitude of nonchalance toward an unconstitutional federal income tax, keep in mind that, at the state level, those states with the highest income tax are flat out of money broke. Those states with no state income tax appear to be fiscally sound. So the choice is A) Uncle Sam has absolutely no idea how to manage OUR money, so lets increase all taxes and give him more, or B) Force him to work from a budget that is extremely limited inflexible.

[shoxlax]

No surprise that you support high taxes, big government by, of and for the bankers/corporations and an unstable, inflationary currency.

Does the Constitution mean anything to you?

Funny how you throw around the elitist label in a derogatory fashion yet you support the actions and policies that give the elite more and more power over your life.

I'd call you a slave if it weren't so obvious that you're in love with your master.

I feel sorry for you.

You are a contradiction. In multiple threads you go from stating that both the right and left are crooks, to spouting the same left wing rhetoric over and over. You rarely have a valid point, and those that you do have, you defend not with a well thought out and rational argument, but by either questioning and attacking the intelligence and character of those who disagree with you or with the classic "well, the previous 8 years were bad because bush is dumb" argument.

Your first defense only shows the weakness of your platform. Good ideas dont require attacking the opposition, they only require a clear statement to the validity of that idea. Regarding your second defense, I'm sure a majority of people would agree to being dissatisfied with the bush administration and republican dominated congress. That being said, this administration should have learned from the mistakes of the bush years, not be inspired by them.

As far as your attitude of nonchalance toward an unconstitutional federal income tax, keep in mind that, at the state level, those states with the highest income tax are flat out of money broke. Those states with no state income tax appear to be fiscally sound. So the choice is A) Uncle Sam has absolutely no idea how to manage OUR money, so lets increase all taxes and give him more, or B) Force him to work from a budget that is extremely limited inflexible.

In other words you are Robert Gibbs.

[kcshocker11]

I think Congress has become is the new 21st century mob - organized and legal crime.

The entire federal government became an organized crime unit in 1913.

Theft through income tax and inflation via monetary policy dictated by a private, central bank and through the elimination of the gold standard.

I agree. We should go back to 1912! Who's with me? :roll:

Fire up the wayback machine

:D 8)

[jocoshock]

What a surprise KC Shox.

The Obama adminstration sold their huge spending plan at least in part by saying that if the Congress didn't pass it, then we'd have 9% unemployemnt.

And what happened with all of the spending? We have 9% unemployment.

Can you give me an example when this kind of government spending and deficit enlargement led to economic growth?

I can...

McGirr notes the irony of an individualist, anti-state philosophy dominating a place whose prosperity was heavily dependent upon Washington and Big Government projects.

From the book:
Suburban Warriors: The Origins of the New American Right

You can read much of this book by clicking the link below. Start at page 25. It provides stunning details of how massive government spending on national defense programs in the 1950s led to a staggerring and unprecedented economic bonanza for the citizens of Orange County, California, the cradle of the modern Conservative movement. Funny how government spending isn't so bad when it's in your (speaking categorically) own back yard. There are many others (they usually fall under the category of Corporate Welfare).

http://books.google.com/books?id=9a1...age&q=&f=false

Note: This is not meant to be an endorsement of liberalism, libertarianism, vegitarianism, or any other ism... It is simply a response to the question. Nothing more...

[ABC]

Seriously, you are citing the employment growth in one county?

This is the best response you can give?

Please research the difference b/t East and West Germany and get back to me.

The world is waiting.

[jocoshock]

Seriously, you are citing the employment growth in one county?

This is the best response you can give?

Please research the difference b/t East and West Germany and get back to me.

The world is waiting.

You asked for one and I gave it to you. All you have to do is replicate that example across many more states, including Kansas and Wichita. The examples are numerous.... But I will give you another more close to home. A personal, first hand account.

My first job interview at WSU just before the 1980 election. It was with Garvey Industries and with Willard Garvey himself. Willard introduced himself, and proudly told me of his Conservative beliefs in low taxes and small government, then promptly told me of the millions of dollars of government aid, corporate welfare, agricultural subsidies, and other forms of government "hand-outs" that his multiple companies enjoyed and profited from. His quote: "I don't make the rules, I just play by them."

Thank you Willard for putting your principles ahead of your profits....

The sooner you accept the fact that Conservative ideology is for the little people, the happier you will be. It is not about whether government is big or small, it's who gets the money...

What do you think Wichita would look like today if not for Government contracts to the aircraft industry, McConnell Air Force Base and other business... It would have been a ghost town a long time ago...

West Germany didn't rebuild on it's own.. It took a fair amount of US aid and Tax dollars... to get where it got.. You have heard of the Marshall Plan.... right?

and you might actually want to take the time to read the link...

[jocoshock]

Seriously, you are citing the employment growth in one county?

This is the best response you can give?

Please research the difference b/t East and West Germany and get back to me.

The world is waiting.

And another one: Time Magazine, 1959


AGRICULTURE: Garvey's Gravy

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,892567,00.html

Of all the harvesters of the U.S.'s scandalous farm subsidy program, none have harvested more profitably than a bulky (6 ft., 190 Ibs.), hearty Kansan named Ray Hugh Garvey. Wichita's Garvey, 66, is a businessman of wide and wealth-producing interests: he controls a 500-well oil company (with a 27½% depletion allowance on federal corporate income taxes), a loo-house-a-year building firm (most with FHA-insured mortgages), a fuel-distribution company selling to farmers (who often use gas unstintingly because of a 2½-per-gallon rebate on federal taxes).

in the last four years Garvey has received $791,488 in support loans for wheat he raised, plus $405,647 in cash from the federal soil bank program for the acreage he left idle.

So successful is Ray Garvey at the taxpayer's expense that even he sometimes has his doubts. "We operate under the program," he said last week. "We don't set it." He need not worry: the U.S. Congress, touting the farm subsidy program as a boon to the small farmer, still seems more than willing to go on making multimillionaires out of the Ray Hugh Garveys.

[ABC]

You aren't answering the question.

Having some increases in one georgraphic area or one comapny isn't economic growth.

Our GDP growth is still negative by the way.

If govt spending increases wealth, then why stop?

[t7017s]

My guess is that they didn't want to rush all that money out at one time. You wouldn't like it if all the money was rushed out and was spent in a flurry without anyone keeping track.

from some of the government accounting reports I have read so far - they have no idea where the money has gone.

I think Congress has become is the new 21st century mob - organized and legal crime.

You beat me to the punch. I was going to say... Wait someone is keeping track of the spending??? If thats the case how come the treasury cant account for 9 billion, or was it trillion? Whats it matter at that scale right? This administration at one point wanted to cut spending on the medical needs of disabled vets to save 400 million at one point. I mean WTF!!!

[1979Shocker]

Sometimes it's bureaucracy that holds up stimulus money.

Stimulus cash for weatherization still unspent

LINCOLN, Neb. - Jackie Harpst expected a busy summer at her nonprofit housing agency, as work crews backed by Nebraska's share of $5 billion in federal stimulus money headed out to seal windows and spread insulation.

Months after she thought work would begin, not a single window has been caulked. And she's still not sure if her team will be able to get to work adding insulation before the summer heat passes — or even before the winter's chill sets in.

Harpst is among the state and local officials nationwide who are sitting on millions in stimulus money targeted for weatherization, worried about running afoul of arcane federal rules governing how much workers should be paid for making energy-saving home improvements.