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[ABC]

Can someone please list the people dying of second hand smoke?

Smoke is avoidable. So avoid it.

[newshock1234]

shouldnt this thread be moved to the off topic discussion?

[ShockerFever]

Can someone please list the people dying of second hand smoke?

Smoke is avoidable. So avoid it.

Smoking is avoidable. Do it in a lonely, quiet, -private- place.

[ShockerFever]

Can someone please list the people dying of second hand smoke?

Have fun reading.

http://www.lungusa.org/site/c.dvLUK9O0E/b.35422/

The specific answer to your question is noted in Fact No.3.

[ABC]

I'd like a specific name.

Has there been a death certificate with cause of death listed at "second hand smoke"?

Please, find a less biased source than the American Lung Association, who uses this as a resource: California Environmental Protection Agency. Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant. Executive Summary. June 2005.

Yes, very believable.

So why can't you folks simply avoid the smoke? Do you really need government to do this work for you? How much big brother do you want?

[ShockerFever]

I'd like a specific name.

Has there been a death certificate with cause of death listed at "second hand smoke"?

Please, find a less biased source than the American Lung Association, who uses this as a resource: California Environmental Protection Agency. Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant. Executive Summary. June 2005.

Yes, very believable.

So why can't you folks simply avoid the smoke? Do you really need government to do this work for you? How much big brother do you want?

When a person who was a smoker dies from emphysema, does it say that they died of emphysema or first-hand smoke exposure on their birth certificate? Just because it's not spelled out doesn't make it any less obvious what the culprit was. Don't live in denial. It's not a good way to go down.

I noticed you 'avoided' my first response.

[rayc]

I have no idea what you are talking about kcshocker11, who is this Rush person you seem so high on??

ShockerFever, I believe that "smoking related illnesses" are real, as is some danger from second hand smoke. What I don't believe in is the way statistics concerning such are manufactured. It is analogus to "alcohol related" auto accidents, another politically motivated, manufactured, and totally meaningless, statistic. I would like to see honest numbers so that we can accurately assess the public risk as opposed to the made up scare tactic numbers used to advance a social engineering agenda.

As I previously alluded to, if the public health concerns are as dire as they claim then they would simply outlaw the sale of tobacco. They haven't taken that step so they are not concerned with the public's health and the health issue is probably overstated. All my humble opinion of course, and no I am not in favor of smoking per se - period. This is not a smoking issue with me.

[ShockerFever]

I have no idea what you are talking about kcshocker11, who is this Rush person you seem so high on??

ShockerFever, I believe that "smoking related illnesses" are real, as is some danger from second hand smoke. What I don't believe in is the way statistics concerning such are manufactured. It is analogus to "alcohol related" auto accidents, another politically motivated, manufactured, and totally meaningless, statistic. I would like to see honest numbers so that we can accurately assess the public risk as opposed to the made up scare tactic numbers used to advance a social engineering agenda.

As I previously alluded to, if the public health concerns are as dire as they claim then they would simply outlaw the sale of tobacco. They haven't taken that step so they are not concerned with the public's health and the health issue is probably overstated. All my humble opinion of course, and no I am not in favor of smoking per se - period. This is not a smoking issue with me.

There are numbers out there, but I guess if they're linked to the American Lung Association, they're considered 'biased'.

I think it's obvious simply getting into an automobile increases your chance of death to about as much as a cigarette, if not more. Is driving an automobile gonna get outlawed?

There's lots of things that you can 'legally' kill yourself with. Bad diets, alcohol, risque sexual behavior, etc.. All I'm saying is, and I think it's quite fair, just do it that it doesn't involve the take down of innocent bystanders. Smoking and its by-products are not a natural things. When I go somewhere publicly, I don't wanna endanger my health because of the lack of care of others. Simply, do it at home, on your private property, or in a place that doesn't involve anyone else who doesn't wanna be exposed.

Again, it's not rocket science.

[fastbow]

So why can't you folks simply avoid the smoke? Do you really need government to do this work for you? How much big brother do you want?

Family. My father and grandfather both smoke.

School policy. There must be a minimum of 5 people around any given door at Wichita State during class breaks to blow smoke on passersby. (Not really, but sometimes it seems like it.)

As for how much Big Brother? My dad and grandpa won't ever stop unless smoking is made impossible. As for on campus, I would just like to go to class without smelling like an ashtray. Wichita State NEEDS a better smoking plan.

[rayc]

Simply, do it at home, on your private property, or in a place that doesn't involve anyone else who doesn't wanna be exposed.

I have no problem with that statement - if you really mean it. My problem is that if one decided to open a business to serve a niche market, say smokers, on their personal property, in compliance with all laws and regulations, with signs clearly stating smoking allowed, some idiots will still come in and demand to have it changed to suit them. And that my friend, is trying to impose your morals or views on others that may not share them. That is wrong.

Likewise if an owner establishes a smoke free environment in his business, it is equally wrong to utilize the facility and grab a smoke in the rest room or anywhere else on the premises. If you don't like the lawful rules set by the owner, go elsewhere. That applies to smokers and non-smokers alike.

[ABC]

Are you anti-smoking zealots also in favor of a transfat ban like New York City?

Back to the second hand smoke issue: it is avoidable. If you don't want second hand smoke, then stay away from places where people smoke.

It ain't complicated.

[RoyalShock]

I do not and have not smoked.

I have no problem with smoking bans or designated areas on public property. I have a MAJOR issue with local governments telling proprieters what legal activities they can't allow on their property.

It's a freedoms issue. Local governments are taking the rights of property owners away. If I own a restaurant/bar and want to allow an activity that is still legal, that should be my right. Patrons can exercise their rights by either coming in or going somewhere else. And some of you may not care because you don't smoke, but just wait until some other thing you do like to do becomes a target of activists. You'll be singing a different tune.

And I agree with an eariler post that this has gotten so far off-topic that I'm going to move it there.

[ShockerGorilla]

Whenever a smoker blows smoke near me, I want to just fart in his face and see how he feels. At least my smell doesn't linger in the clothes and hair for hours or days.

[ShockerFever]

Back to the second hand smoke issue: it is avoidable. If you don't want second hand smoke, then stay away from places where people smoke.

It ain't complicated.

Smoking is avoidable. If you want to smoke, smoke in a place that does not conflict with my personal breathing space.

It' ain't complicated.

[ABC]

Whenever a smoker blows smoke near me, I want to just fart in his face and see how he feels. At least my smell doesn't linger in the clothes and hair for hours or days.

Then don't sit next to a smoker or don't go to a place that allows it.