Powell Endorses Obama for President

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I remember something like this as well. They were buried chemical weapons mustard gas or chlorine gas and were very degraded. These were reportedly used by Saddam in the 1980's against the Kurds when we did not care so much for the Iraqi citizens. Bad stuff and bad weapons but those were not why we invaded Iraq. The weapons Saddam was thought to have or was working on to have were never found.

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Coalition troops have even found fighters buried in the sand out in western Iraq but have not yet found anything even remotely mushroom cloud oriented. Bad chemicals that cause horrendous and agonizing death have been found but nothing that glows. Saddam himself said that he was simply posturing to counter Iranian influence. I guess he bluffed too well :D

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Just talk to lots of guys that have been over there, and many feel that there never were any either. If the troops think that, then why wouldn't the general public?

Anyways, back on topic. I believe that Powell was really turned off by the Bush administration. It was unfortunate that such a good person was put into the situation that he was. I really wish he would run for President, but he never will. He dealt with too much BS as Sec of State to ever run for a position.

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I know some of you like to believe Oliver Stone as God.....he's not.

Just because it makes it to the movie theatre doesn't mean it's fact.


I suppose next we'll start quoting Micheal Moore as fact.


I'm going to let a few of you in on a little secret. Hussein DID have wmds.

He did! Get it? Not maybe...he DID. He used them on HIS OWN PEOPLE.

He was required to disarm and destroy them under the watchful eye of others..he refused. Yes, we didn't find them. He may of in fact destroyed them himself before we overran him and his terrorist leadership.

I don't care.....he had them....he would have continued to develop and use them. That scenario is no longer a concern.

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I don't care.....he had them....he would have continued to develop and use them. That scenario is no longer a concern.

Thousands and thousands of families care who lost children for a war that shouldn't have happened.


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Of course if Obama had been in charge, Saddam Hussien would still be in power, he'd have gassed a few dozen thousand (more) Kurds (including a few poor women and children that might have voted for him in Ohio) and there is a small chance that he might have gotten a little frisky and lobbed an improved scud towards Israel which would have launched us directly into WWIII with at least 3 middle eastern countries achieving 10,000 centigrade within 2 seconds when Israel reacted.

You criticize a film by Oliver Stone and then you construct this masterpiece of speculation and fiction?

Follow my instructions carefully:

1) Reach down to your car stereo control knob.

2) TURN RUSH LIMBAUGH OFF!

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Is the world a better place without Saddam? Of course.

It is a legitimate debate, that might never be resolved, whether it was worth the blood and treasure the US, Great Britain and others have paid.

The debate whether Ike should have taken Berlin is still being tossed around, 60 years later.

It is not a legitimate debate. The majority of the American people do not think it was worth the cost in lives and funds. Saddam was no more a threat to the U.S. than Fidel Castro. He used rumors of WMD's to keep himself in power. We used VERY spotty intelligence in order to make a PREEMPTIVE STRIKE into a country that was not a direct or indirect threat to the U.S. We are now neck-deep in a mission that when it's all said and done will make Vietnam look like a weekend vacation.


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Just talk to lots of guys that have been over there, and many feel that there never were any either. If the troops think that, then why wouldn't the general public?

Anyways, back on topic. I believe that Powell was really turned off by the Bush administration. It was unfortunate that such a good person was put into the situation that he was. I really wish he would run for President, but he never will. He dealt with too much BS as Sec of State to ever run for a position.

Go watch the movie "W". I don't know how much of it is pure fact, but it sure seems plausible. If you like Colin Powell, you will find his role in the movie VERY interesting.

Even a Ditto-head will be able to handle this movie because it is fair...


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I remember something like this as well. They were buried chemical weapons mustard gas or chlorine gas and were very degraded. These were reportedly used by Saddam in the 1980's against the Kurds when we did not care so much for the Iraqi citizens. Bad stuff and bad weapons but those were not why we invaded Iraq. The weapons Saddam was thought to have or was working on to have were never found.

Bingo!

Aluminum tubes!!! Aluminum tubes!!!11111

In September 2002, the Bush administration, the CIA and the DIA said attempts by Iraq to acquire high-strength aluminum tubes, which were prohibited under the UN monitoring program, pointed to a clandestine effort to make enriched uranium for nuclear bombs. This analysis was opposed by the Department of Energy (DOE) and INR which was significant because of DOE's expertise in gas centrifuges and nuclear weapons programs. The DOE and INR argued that such tubes were poorly suited for centrifuges. An effort by the DOE to change Powell's comments before his UN appearance was rebuffed by the administration. Indeed, Colin Powell, in his address to the U.N. Security Council just prior to the war, made reference to the aluminum tubes. But a report released by the Institute for Science and International Security in 2002 reported that it was highly unlikely that the tubes could be used to enrich uranium.Powell later admitted he had presented an inaccurate case to the United Nations on Iraqi weapons, and the intelligence he was relying on was, in some cases, "deliberately misleading."

Poor, poor Colin Powell...


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Whenever I hear the name Colin Powell, I think back to a magazine ad I saw in a doctor's waiting room several years ago for the "Colon Pal".

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B.O.H.I.C.A.

Bend Over Here It Comes Again!

Pronounced "Bo-hee-Kah!"

[Denny Crane]

Is the world a better place without Saddam? Of course.

It is a legitimate debate, that might never be resolved, whether it was worth the blood and treasure the US, Great Britain and others have paid.

The debate whether Ike should have taken Berlin is still being tossed around, 60 years later.

It is not a legitimate debate. The majority of the American people do not think it was worth the cost in lives and funds. Saddam was no more a threat to the U.S. than Fidel Castro. He used rumors of WMD's to keep himself in power. We used VERY spotty intelligence in order to make a PREEMPTIVE STRIKE into a country that was not a direct or indirect threat to the U.S. We are now neck-deep in a mission that when it's all said and done will make Vietnam look like a weekend vacation.


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Saddam broke the UN Resolutions, not us. Saddam propped up the spotty intelligence by playing poker with his country and his regime. Saddam and a few crooked bastards were screwing the world over with their Oil For Food scam while starving his own people. Saddam's air defense assets were shooting at our pilots almost daily during Operation Northern and Southern Watch, which incidentally was costing millions in it's own right and for an indefinite time frame. I know, I have lived it and studied it (Iraq and Middle East affairs) for the last five years and the 13 years before after the first Gulf War.

If you don't agree with the premise of the war or how it was prosecuted, fine. But to say he was not even an indirect threat or no more of a threat than Castro is garbage.:-x

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I would hope that no one would doubt the Saddam was a regional threat capable of unexpected behavior which was capable of costing American taxpayers millions in the crude oil market alone. If one doubts this see what happens when Iran sends motor patrol boats toward coalition shipping, see what the market does. The first rule in foreign policy is "the known is always better than the unknown". Is the world a better place without Saddam and his hooligan sons, you bet your arse it is. Is Iraq better off without Saddam, time will tell. I sure as heck hope so. Having worked with many Kurds and the mighty pê_merge I can report firsthand that these aerial patrols of which Denny speaks saved hundreds of thousands of lives. In Iraq there were very few firing ranges as the Army would simply fly in a conduct target practice on villages and artillery would fire on the same. I know of a village where Corps of Engineers rebuilt a school that was destroyed from just such occurrences, the same village faced the gas attacks as well. Right or wrong for America, Iraq for the Kurds and Shia is a much better place without Saddam.

“That’s all I gotta say about that”. Drive on with your bad self Denny :good:

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I commend Powell and anyone else who has worn the uniform. My problem with Powell outside the fact that I have always thought he was a liberal is this, While slick Willie was prez, he allowed Saddam to defy countless UN resolutions. Every time Billy would come out and say," Ya better not do that or else...." Well after 17 times of Der Slickmeister warning Saddam to play nice and Saddam telling Bill to kiss his arse, along comes George W Bush. Bush says we are not going to play that game, especailly after 9/11. Now Powell, wanted to warn Saddam another 17 times and maybe write another 17 resolutions.
Any kid can tell you, that after several threats, if you don't deliver, nobody will listen to you anymore. So: Bush warned Saddam, Saddam told Bush to bite off, Bush kicked his ass.
Through that show of strength, the fact that we warned and we delivered, Lybia got scared and scrapped their nuclear program. When Bush says something he means it. If it were up to Powell, we would still be writing resolutions for Saddam to break and our credibility would be nothing.

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Is the world a better place without Saddam? Of course.

It is a legitimate debate, that might never be resolved, whether it was worth the blood and treasure the US, Great Britain and others have paid.

The debate whether Ike should have taken Berlin is still being tossed around, 60 years later.

It is not a legitimate debate. The majority of the American people do not think it was worth the cost in lives and funds. Saddam was no more a threat to the U.S. than Fidel Castro. He used rumors of WMD's to keep himself in power. We used VERY spotty intelligence in order to make a PREEMPTIVE STRIKE into a country that was not a direct or indirect threat to the U.S. We are now neck-deep in a mission that when it's all said and done will make Vietnam look like a weekend vacation.


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Cold,

You're in over your head.

We lost 50,000 men in Vietnam and ended up achieving few, if any objectives.

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Is the world a better place without Saddam? Of course.

It is a legitimate debate, that might never be resolved, whether it was worth the blood and treasure the US, Great Britain and others have paid.

The debate whether Ike should have taken Berlin is still being tossed around, 60 years later.

It is not a legitimate debate. The majority of the American people do not think it was worth the cost in lives and funds. Saddam was no more a threat to the U.S. than Fidel Castro. He used rumors of WMD's to keep himself in power. We used VERY spotty intelligence in order to make a PREEMPTIVE STRIKE into a country that was not a direct or indirect threat to the U.S. We are now neck-deep in a mission that when it's all said and done will make Vietnam look like a weekend vacation.


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Cold,

You're in over your head.

We lost 50,000 men in Vietnam and ended up achieving few, if any objectives.

We are now neck-deep in a mission that when it's all said and done will make Vietnam look like a weekend vacation.

That's a reference to time man, a reference to time...

Stop fixating on me or I will have to ignore you. You don't want that to happen do you?


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