Former governor Milliken backs away from McCain

[kcshocker11]

http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/10/former_governor_milliken_backs.html

"I'm disappointed in the tenor and the personal attacks on the part of the McCain campaign, when he ought to be talking about the issues."

Please read Lincoln Chafee's comments

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[shockandawe08]

kc,

Keep up the good fight. Most in here are more comfortable preaching to the choir, like that's going to change anyone's mind. Just know that there are a lot of browsers who don't comment and perhaps they are thinking about whether to send their son or daughter to a college in Kansas (specifcally WSU) and how that decision may just rest on the fact that so many in here appear to be , shall we say, intolerant?

I find it very telling that so many of your posts are not commented on. One might think no one has anything with which to dispute you.
I, too, have been guilty of not commenting. It is not because I don't have strong feelings about the issues you raise, because I do. I just got tired of being dismissed and attacked every time I DARED to state my opinion, in this so-called "land of the free, home of the brave."
So, what have I been doing? I have been canvassing door to door, talking to people who are fiscally conservative YET socially responsible... people like myself. We, as independents and undecideds, are supposed to be the ones who will determine the outcome of this election.
Of course, I know I am in a red state and this action seems futile at this time. But this is not the Republican Party of my father or my father's father. This party is an embarrassment and is in dire need of being taken behind the woodshed. The Republican Party is the party that first spoke out against racism when they ran against the Whigs. What happened?
My 14-year-old son wants to know and so do I.
And, please, if some of you can't answer me in a civil, reasonable way, don't bother. I have had enough of the spiteful commentary.
But, hey, we can still unite in our support for our Shockers, right? RIGHT?????

[SB Shock]

I just got tired of being dismissed and attacked every time I DARED to state my opinion, in this so-called "land of the free, home of the brave."


So, what have I been doing? I have been canvassing door to door, talking to people who are fiscally conservative YET socially responsible... people like myself.

Good, I look forward to hearing your answers to my question in the thread entitled "Where candidates stand on pocketbook issues". Because if your canvasing you must be informed about your candidate and have the answers:

http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=12304

[double dribble]

Why is it called intolerant when republicans stand up for their values? and tell me, how "tolerant" are democRATS of Christian values?

[shocrates]

The coming thugocracy from the party of tolerance:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/

[WuDrWu]

The party of tolerance and freedom is the Republican party. If you think different, then quite simply you are not particularly smart.

The problem is the Republican party has been very poorly lead for many years now.

Hopefully, the impending disaster will bring about a change and return the GOP to what it used to be.

[rrshock]

The party of tolerance and freedom is the Republican party. If you think different, then quite simply you are not particularly smart.

The problem is the Republican party has been very poorly lead for many years now.

Hopefully, the impending disaster will bring about a change and return the GOP to what it used to be.

Maybe that is true about what it will take for a change, but I will beg to differ with you on the tolerance thing. At least the Republicans around where I live are no where near tolerant. What about homosexuals? They don't seem to be very tolerant of them, now are they? Many of the Republicans I know around here are racist as well. If you aren't white, a super devout christian (i.e. Mennonite), then they don't tolerate you. That doesn't seem to be what the Republican party is about, now is it? And there are Republican leaders in our state that are just like them, or they wouldn't be supporting them.

[shocrates]

The party of tolerance and freedom is the Republican party. If you think different, then quite simply you are not particularly smart.

The problem is the Republican party has been very poorly lead for many years now.

Hopefully, the impending disaster will bring about a change and return the GOP to what it used to be.

Maybe that is true about what it will take for a change, but I will beg to differ with you on the tolerance thing. At least the Republicans around where I live are no where near tolerant. What about homosexuals? They don't seem to be very tolerant of them, now are they? Many of the Republicans I know around here are racist as well. If you aren't white, a super devout christian (i.e. Mennonite), then they don't tolerate you. That doesn't seem to be what the Republican party is about, now is it? And there are Republican leaders in our state that are just like them, or they wouldn't be supporting them.

Sounds like your neighbors are the democratic party of George Wallace in 1960. Give me some overt examples of racism you witness from many Republicans please. By the way I would qualify for minority status, my father's family immigrated here legally, and were ridiculed for their ethnicity during the 30's, 40's, and 50's. So I am not your white republican cookie cutter model.

[Tyrone Shoelace]

rr, there is a difference between saying something is immoral and being intolerant. As a Christian, I believe that the bible says homosexuality is wrong, yet I am not intolerant of homosexuals.
Why can't liberals figure out that there IS a difference between condemnation of ones action and "intolerance"? If the liberal logic were true, then Christian republicans would be intolerant of the entire world since we are all sinners.

[WuDrWu]

Look, mister, there's two kinds of dumb. The guy that gets naked and runs out in the snow and barks at the moon, and the guy who does the same thing in my living room. First one don't matter, the second one you're kinda forced to deal with.


Dems want everybody to praise the first one and be submissive to the second one.


They are wrong, like in so many other cases, on both accounts.

[rrshock]

rr, there is a difference between saying something is immoral and being intolerant. As a Christian, I believe that the bible says homosexuality is wrong, yet I am not intolerant of homosexuals.
Why can't liberals figure out that there IS a difference between condemnation of ones action and "intolerance"? If the liberal logic were true, then Christian republicans would be intolerant of the entire world since we are all sinners.

I'm not saying you're not tolerant, but the way that many come off, they are intolerant. People in my area get talked about all the time if they smoke, drink, blah blah blah. They are intolerant of who they consider sinners. I'm not saying the whole Republican party is like that, but the ones I'm surrounded by sure are. If you aren't one of them, then they don't like you say you're a sinner and all that BS. At least that's how they come off to me.

[ABC]

The fact that Democrats are pushing the "fairness doctrine" to apply to talk radio is one huge indicator where the tolerance meter is balancing out.

I don't recall any serious efforts by conservatives to require the same for newspapers.

[RoyalShock]

rr, there is a difference between saying something is immoral and being intolerant. As a Christian, I believe that the bible says homosexuality is wrong, yet I am not intolerant of homosexuals.
Why can't liberals figure out that there IS a difference between condemnation of ones action and "intolerance"? If the liberal logic were true, then Christian republicans would be intolerant of the entire world since we are all sinners.

I'm not saying you're not tolerant, but the way that many come off, they are intolerant. People in my area get talked about all the time if they smoke, drink, blah blah blah. They are intolerant of who they consider sinners. I'm not saying the whole Republican party is like that, but the ones I'm surrounded by sure are. If you aren't one of them, then they don't like you say you're a sinner and all that BS. At least that's how they come off to me.

rr, I think you are applying the actions of a subset of people (Mennonites), driven by something other than politics (their religion), to those of a political ideology. I know a good many Mennonites, as I attend a church that is under the Mennonite umbressa , and you'd be surprised how many of them are Democrats. One guy in our church was a long-time state representative and a Democrat.

I concur with Tyrone's assesment.

[SB Shock]

I just got tired of being dismissed and attacked every time I DARED to state my opinion, i

You got dismissed because you posed as somebody you weren't and you got called on it.

[Denny Crane]

rr, there is a difference between saying something is immoral and being intolerant. As a Christian, I believe that the bible says homosexuality is wrong, yet I am not intolerant of homosexuals.
Why can't liberals figure out that there IS a difference between condemnation of ones action and "intolerance"? If the liberal logic were true, then Christian republicans would be intolerant of the entire world since we are all sinners.

I'm not saying you're not tolerant, but the way that many come off, they are intolerant. People in my area get talked about all the time if they smoke, drink, blah blah blah. They are intolerant of who they consider sinners. I'm not saying the whole Republican party is like that, but the ones I'm surrounded by sure are. If you aren't one of them, then they don't like you say you're a sinner and all that BS. At least that's how they come off to me.

I don't know you are hanging around with or surrounded by but this Republican:

1. Watches Desperate Housewives and The Ellen Show and laughs at her because she's funny;
2. Drinks beer;
3. Smokes an occasional cigar;
4. Has ancestors and cousins living in a country we are not on the best of terms with;
5. Had many black and Hispanic friends while growing up (still do);
6. Has worked two and sometimes three jobs the last twenty years;
7. Cusses more than I should.

I think I would typify more Republicans on this board than not. :whistle: