Alaska panel finds Palin abused power

[WuDrWu]

Time leans right? Ok.......kinda like I'm slim......I'll admit they are right of the Contra Costa Times.

[WuDrWu]

To clarify,


IBD leans right. WSJ is middle of the road and mostly fair. MOST other major print media is left and the majority are FAR left.

[rayc]

rrshock:

If she is willing to let her husband have access to state records, is she gonna let him have access to federal stuff that he has no business being around? I think it is a good question to be asking.

Just curious but were you just as concerned about the spouse having access to federal stuff during President Bill Clinton's administration??

Or is this just "selective concern"??

[double dribble]

rr why don't you call Hillary and have her return her copies of the 917 FBI files she cabbaged on to.
I guess Sandy Burglar didn't have big enough pants to stuff all of those in so she hires Greg Craig steal them for her.

[rrshock]

rrshock:

If she is willing to let her husband have access to state records, is she gonna let him have access to federal stuff that he has no business being around? I think it is a good question to be asking.

Just curious but were you just as concerned about the spouse having access to federal stuff during President Bill Clinton's administration??

Or is this just "selective concern"??

I didn't like it then either. Hillary had no business having access either. It'd just be simpler if only non-married people were in those offices. We would only have to worry about randoms at that point....darn, that won't work either.

[Ixiah]

I love it...I read somewhere, ha ha

Eat crow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootengate

Taser incident
Wooten was also found to have violated department policy in using a Taser on his then 11-year old stepson in 2003. He told investigators that he did so "in a training capacity" after the child had asked to be tased. In a September 2008 newspaper interview, Wooten said that he set the Taser to "test" mode, meaning that it was on low power.[31][32] In a statement to police, the boy said "he wanted to be tased to show that he's not a mommy's boy in front of Bristol [his cousin, Palin's daughter]. Following being tased he went upstairs to tell his mother that he was fine."[18] In a statement to police, Molly McCann said "she was up stairs giving a bath to the kids … Mike was going to show Payton what it feels like and she told Mike that he better not."[18] According to Molly's account, she remained upstairs during the incident.

Although the Taser incident happened in 2003, it was not reported to police until on or after April 11, 2005, the day McCann filed for divorce. On June 6, 2005, a police investigator asked Bristol why they "waited so long and brought the incident up after two years." Bristol said "because of the divorce."[18]

Dad, would you shoot me please? Okay, Son, since you asked, that exonerates me.

Well lets see - the kid apparently felt fine after the incident and even went up and told his mother per the child's own testimony. Did she divorce him? File a police report? Anything?

The police investigated this and unless you know something they don't (unlikely) then I would say they are probably more capable of deciding if any serious incident occured. In fact in reading all the charges they appear to be trumped up in an effort to win a custody battle.

You sound like those people that bashes the WSU baseball program over the beaning incident. Don't know all the facts but are capable of coming up with judgements.

Time, now there's a real center of the road publication.

Each publication will of course have a slant to the right or the left. However, the facts in any reputable publication are rarely wrong (since they can be verified). Once you start restricting yourself to only reading what you want to hear you have become very narrow minded indeed.

[rayc]

What is your point?

Did he or did he not taser his son? And the justification was so the son could prove his manhood?

This is rational behavior to you??

I am puzzled why the left wingers will scream to high heaven and want the cops head when they tasered the kid disrupting the political speech in Florida earlier this year (an Obama follower, of course) and yet seem claim it acceptable, even perhaps somewhat charming, to tase your own son.

The absolute hypocrisy is astounding. ( and don't give me the freedom of speech BS, that was pretty much shot down and I really don't think you want to revisit it, besides the tasering was a seperate indignation.)

[Ixiah]

What is your point?

Did he or did he not taser his son? And the justification was so the son could prove his manhood?

This is rational behavior to you??

What part of me criticizing him for being stupid did you not understand? My point is simple - if an investigation found no wrong when they have all the facts then you should not be cricizing it with only partial data.

Every once in a while a parent acts a little too much like Homer Simpson. Its not being quaint but rather accepting that parents are not perfect. I know my dad used to swim in a frozen lake on their farm in the winter with his brothers as a kid. When you think rationally a parent should never allow that but they did. Do you think its the duty of the government to investigate every stupid action by parents when no real harm is done?

I am puzzled why the left wingers will scream to high heaven and want the cops head when they tasered the kid disrupting the political speech in Florida earlier this year (an Obama follower, of course) and yet seem claim it acceptable, even perhaps somewhat charming, to tase your own son.

The absolute hypocrisy is astounding. ( and don't give me the freedom of speech BS, that was pretty much shot down and I really don't think you want to revisit it, besides the tasering was a seperate indignation.)

Now why would an Obama supporter be hounding John Kerry?! Okay, I'll skip that since you probably just tossed that in for no apparent reason. Feel free to review the thread on the Florida incident. Here are some comments by various shocker posters some of which are certainly conservatives.

Subgod21 - That was just wrong
WuDrWu - Of course the tazer was silly
t7017s - I dont think getting tasered was warranted.
ABC - But they stepped over the line here.

Oh, and I am far from a left winger if that was what you were hinting at. 8)

[rayc]

Ixiah:

What part of me criticizing him for being stupid did you not understand? My point is simple - if an investigation found no wrong when they have all the facts then you should not be cricizing it with only partial data

From your own post:

Taser incident
Wooten was also found to have violated department policy in using a Taser on his then 11-year old stepson in 2003.

What part of violating department policy is "found no wrong"?


My last comment was not directed at you personally, it was a general statement about liberals. The MSM and libs in general were very vocal, at least here in Florida, in condeming the use of a taser in virtually any situation. Yet I didn't see the same MSM and lib's hitting the air waves condeming the use of a taser on the trooper's own stepson. Indeed they passed it off similarly to the way you are. That my friend, is hypocrisy, a seemly endearing trait of the left wing.

[Denny Crane]

Wikipedia as a scholarly source?

[rrshock]

But if it happened 2 years before the divorce was filed, why did it become such a big deal then, instead of when it happened? That's what I don't understand. And it still doesn't change the fact that the governor and her husband both were pushing for his dismissal after all the investigations were complete. Trying to get a soon-to-be former family member fired wreaks of something fishy and possibly overstepping of bounds.

[Ixiah]

What part of violating department policy is "found no wrong"?

Good point - allow me to rephrase - the violations were found to be minor violations that did not warrant dismissal.

[rayc]

rrshock:
But if it happened 2 years before the divorce was filed, why did it become such a big deal then, instead of when it happened? That's what I don't understand.

Read the report, it's all there. In a nutshell, the son seemed okay, the marriage had not reached the point of physical abuse, and she didn't want to get her husband (bread winner) in trouble. On the otherhand in a divorce trial ...

And it still doesn't change the fact that the governor and her husband both were pushing for his dismissal after all the investigations were complete. Trying to get a soon-to-be former family member fired wreaks of something fishy and possibly overstepping of bounds.

If you had a sibling starting into a divorce and that sibling's spouse calls you and says that if your dad assists your sibling in obtaining a lawyer for the divorce that he will kill your dad. Plus the fact that threatener is licenced to carry a gun as a police officer. ( and he was found guilty of making that threat. Had the threat been made directly to the father, criminal charges would have been filed. As it was they handled it internally, or so they say.)

Wouldn't you try to get that person removed from his position?? I certainly would and I suspect most on this board would as well.

The only thing fishy is the so call reason for the investigation - it was a pure witch hunt tied to the Presidential campaign. Did you seriously think that it was anything else? I suspect a lot of Alaskan political lives are now hanging in the balance of the Dem's unprecedented attempt at tar and feathering Gov. Palin. But who knows, maybe they were already in jeopardy anyway. Interesting election this year, on many levels.

[rayc]

Ixiah:

Good point - allow me to rephrase - the violations were found to be minor violations that did not warrant dismissal.

I can agree with that, the taser incident was minor and in and of itself, probably handled properly by the Department.

[rrshock]

The only thing fishy is the so call reason for the investigation - it was a pure witch hunt tied to the Presidential campaign. Did you seriously think that it was anything else? I suspect a lot of Alaskan political lives are now hanging in the balance of the Dem's unprecedented attempt at tar and feathering Gov. Palin. But who knows, maybe they were already in jeopardy anyway. Interesting election this year, on many levels.

Wasn't the investigation started before the vice presidential thing came about? I can't recall, but I thought it was.