No matter which side of the aisle you are on

[Denny Crane]

Sorry, your comment about not doing anything that matters about them as State Commander is so factually incorrect, it is funny. When you understand the nuances between State Active Duty vs. Title 32 vs. Title 10 and the complexities of command, check back with me. Stick to computers.

Of course I'll stick to computers! But I can still argue!

So as governor, how may times did Palin command the Alaskan National Guard in doing something that mattered... There's a difference between sending the Guard out to clean up an oil spill when compared to assisting in commanding the nation's army at war. It's safe to say she has no experience in that matter. Unless I missed something, during her time as Governor, she didn't have anything major happen in Alaska where her position of head of the Alaskan national guard was put to the test. (I could be wrong, maybe the Russians tried to invade via the Bearing Straight and she stopped them with the Alaskan National Guard and I missed it.) I'll stick by my comment that she has does not have the experience Republicans are claiming she has.

Let's keep in mind; she was mayor of the second largest city in Alaska! Forget that Dodge City Kansas is 3 times bigger...Yes, 3 times bigger. She was governor of a state whose entire population is smaller than Memphis, Tenn. All I ask is that Republicans stop exaggerating everything she's done and saying how great she is...I'll say it again, she was the wrong choice for VP running mate. Sure, Democrats are inflating Obama's record, but the problem is they're being hypocrites by saying how great Palin is...

It's called spin, Moose, and James Carville invented it. Nothing against James, I kinda get a kick out of the bald fella. But Governors, R or D, in todays GWOT, need to know way more than the public is aware about military command and control, assets and manning. I won't even get into air defense and Russian bears, which I have some experience with. Trust me, I know. :whistle:

[Maggie]

I have stayed out of the general discussion but ABC is correct in pointing out that people critical of Palin seem to want to compare her to Obama – which is a fight the GOP will win. Furthermore, the criticism of Palin on this thread, for the most part, continues to be petty, insignificant and irrelevant.

I am no fan of McCain but I applaud his VP choice and the direction in which he seems to have chosen to take his campaign. The problem is not “America” but the political culture of Washington – it has been for a very, very long time. To me, McCain (whether I have agreed with him or not – I do respect him) and Palin have proven to have the resolve to challenge that culture – which is no small task. The Democratic ticket, however appealing the masses, has no such proven aptitude.

[SFL]

I have stayed out of the general discussion but ABC is correct in pointing out that people critical of Palin seem to want to compare her to Obama – which is a fight the GOP will win. Furthermore, the criticism of Palin on this thread, for the most part, continues to be petty, insignificant and irrelevant.

I am no fan of McCain but I applaud his VP choice and the direction in which he seems to have chosen to take his campaign. The problem is not “America” but the political culture of Washington – it has been for a very, very long time. To me, McCain (whether I have agreed with him or not – I do respect him) and Palin have proven to have the resolve to challenge that culture – which is no small task. The Democratic ticket, however appealing the masses, has no such proven aptitude.

Sing it Maggie! :good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T5hYlUsQ0s

[RoyalShock]

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Bob_Barr.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Chuck_Baldwin.htm

[SubGod22]

I have stayed out of the general discussion but ABC is correct in pointing out that people critical of Palin seem to want to compare her to Obama – which is a fight the GOP will win. Furthermore, the criticism of Palin on this thread, for the most part, continues to be petty, insignificant and irrelevant.

I am no fan of McCain but I applaud his VP choice and the direction in which he seems to have chosen to take his campaign. The problem is not “America” but the political culture of Washington – it has been for a very, very long time. To me, McCain (whether I have agreed with him or not – I do respect him) and Palin have proven to have the resolve to challenge that culture – which is no small task. The Democratic ticket, however appealing the masses, has no such proven aptitude.

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[rjl]

rjl:

...Suddenly being mayor of a hamlet and governor of one of the smallest populated states is plenty? Pretty laughable. ...

I don't think anyone claims Palin's executive experience is plenty, it's not. The claim is that it's more than Obama's, it is.

It's real cute you think that, but... let's get real here. Being mayor of a town with a population of under 6,000 at the time, to Governor for less than two years.... it's a stretch to say she has more experience than anyone.

A stretch you seem happy to make.

[rjl]

Coldblooded and others,

You are comparing the Dems top of the ticket to the GOP's #2. That is probabaly the debate the McCain campaign wants to have.

It appears to me that the McCain campaign has bated Obama's folks into this discussion and they've fallen for it, and you did too.

No, we aren't comparing to put Palin down.

We're comparing to point out the hypocrisy of the GOP who were disparaging Obama's experience just a week ago, and now think an even less qualified candidate has plenty.

[rjl]

The anti-liberals among you understandably question what kind of change Obama could bring, just because you're skeptical of anyone not in the GOP.

But tell me, how does McCain even remotely sell change? He's been in Washington for 26 years. He's voted with Bush over 90% of the time for the last 8! He embodies that which needs changing!

Huge mistake in his speech last night. He would of been better served by trying to convince people that the GOP's plan is working, even though it isn't, and saying what we're going through now is just a bump in the road. His speech even had the same old rhetoric and failed Repubican ideas in it as every other RNC speech I've ever heard.


Not sure what my favorite part was.

Was it when he said he was going to create a bi-partisan atmosphere, after an entire week of Republican Democrat/Liberal bashing?

Was it more rhetoric about how Dems "raise taxes for everyone", and how bad it will be for the economy... which conveniently overlooks the fact that when the last of those silly Democrats was in office the average household income rose $7500, but has dropped $2000 ever since the Republicans have been in office?

Was it the manipulation of fear with all the 9/11 references? They did it 4 years ago, they did it tonight. 9/11 was misused and abused by the current administration to take us into Iraq, and it appears as if McCain will continue to misuse it for further conflicts in the future.

Was it the ubiquitous mention of two families who've hit hard times, one in Michgan and the other in Pennsylvania (both swing states, incidentally), only to be followed with absolutely no information on how the Republicans are going to help those people out?

So many great parts to choose from.

[WstateU]

Proverbs 26:4-5 "When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are."
:yes:

[Maggie]

[quote="rjl"][/quote****......

My opinion of Obama has nothing to with party affiliation. My opinion of McCain has nothing to do with party affiliation.

If you want to be taken seriously stop regurgitating taking points you tend to agree with and start thinking FOR YOURSELF………I will assume that is possible…..sorry for the snark. Sort of but not really.....I am a little cranky.....

[Denny Crane]

That was damn smart of Karl Rove to dress up like a female war protester and take his shirt off in order to garner sympathy for the Republicans from the viewing audience during McCain's speech.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Coldblooded and others,

You are comparing the Dems top of the ticket to the GOP's #2. That is probabaly the debate the McCain campaign wants to have.

It appears to me that the McCain campaign has bated Obama's folks into this discussion and they've fallen for it, and you did too.

CB baited??!!!!!!!!

Surely you jest! ;-)

The only reason I compare Obama to Palin is because McCain is about 4 years from his life expectancy according to many mortality tables. There is a very real possibility that she could be leading the most powerful nation in the world if McCain gets elected. That should scare the bejesus out of anybody.

The second McCain picked Palin he left himself wide open to be criticized for his age. Interestingly, I haven't seen much of that yet... Then again, I do not read or listen to the political talking heads.


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[C0|dB|00ded]

The anti-liberals among you understandably question what kind of change Obama could bring, just because you're skeptical of anyone not in the GOP.

But tell me, how does McCain even remotely sell change? He's been in Washington for 26 years. He's voted with Bush over 90% of the time for the last 8! He embodies that which needs changing!

Huge mistake in his speech last night. He would of been better served by trying to convince people that the GOP's plan is working, even though it isn't, and saying what we're going through now is just a bump in the road. His speech even had the same old rhetoric and failed Repubican ideas in it as every other RNC speech I've ever heard.


Not sure what my favorite part was.

Was it when he said he was going to create a bi-partisan atmosphere, after an entire week of Republican Democrat/Liberal bashing?

Was it more rhetoric about how Dems "raise taxes for everyone", and how bad it will be for the economy... which conveniently overlooks the fact that when the last of those silly Democrats was in office the average household income rose $7500, but has dropped $2000 ever since the Republicans have been in office?

Was it the manipulation of fear with all the 9/11 references? They did it 4 years ago, they did it tonight. 9/11 was misused and abused by the current administration to take us into Iraq, and it appears as if McCain will continue to misuse it for further conflicts in the future.

Was it the ubiquitous mention of two families who've hit hard times, one in Michgan and the other in Pennsylvania (both swing states, incidentally), only to be followed with absolutely no information on how the Republicans are going to help those people out?

So many great parts to choose from.

All good points but you will find the exact same types of hypocrisy on the other ticket.

P.S.

Clinton's presidency had very little to do with the economic cycle that he loves to take credit for.

One could even point to his lack of diligence in regards to attacking terrorism (planning) that left GW (and the U.S.) holding the bag shortly after he left office.


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[martymoose]

Proverbs 26:4-5 "When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are."
:yes:

It's hard to argue with the Obama supporters on here, because most of them are bringing facts and not empty defenses like this. I have however been picking apart their (Obama) arguments on other message boards much like people (myself included) are doing with McCain and Palin on here. So far I've been much more impressed with what I've heard from Obama supporters. I'm not registered with either party, have voted Dem twice and Rep once in presidential elections. My votes have probably been split between the parties for the House and Senate elections.

I still haven't heard from anyone why Palin was a better choice than every other option available out there for VP... That's one of the major daggers why I won't vote for McCain, he didn't pick a strong VP and is simply going for votes, that doesn't impress me at all in a potential president. If you want to be President, you don't cut corners to make things look good to certain groups (in this case females). You need to put together the best product possible and present it to the citizens to vote.

[ABC]

It's hard to argue with the Obama supporters on here, because most of them are bringing facts and not empty defenses like this. I have however been picking apart their (Obama) arguments on other message boards much like people (myself included) are doing with McCain and Palin on here. So far I've been much more impressed with what I've heard from Obama supporters. I'm not registered with either party, have voted Dem twice and Rep once in presidential elections. My votes have probably been split between the parties for the House and Senate elections.

I still haven't heard from anyone why Palin was a better choice than every other option available out there for VP... That's one of the major daggers why I won't vote for McCain, he didn't pick a strong VP and is simply going for votes, that doesn't impress me at all in a potential president. If you want to be President, you don't cut corners to make things look good to certain groups (in this case females). You need to put together the best product possible and present it to the citizens to vote.

Marty, Marty, Marty, young grasshopper,

Why was Obama a better pick then Clinton, Wesley Clark, and Biden in the Democrat primaries?

Why did the Democrat masses pick the most inexperienced candidate in either party?

I eagerly await your repsonse.

I don't even know where to begin with your statement that a major reason you won't vote for McCain is that he is "going for votes."