Mulvane Casino

[kcshocker11]

I agree with SubGod and SB. I just don't see it as being progressive when people throw their money away to huge corporations and the government, all in the name of "entertainment". Ask Charlse Barkley how gambling has affested his life.

Wichita is filled with hughe corporations and goverment though.

Whenever you go to the movies you are giving your money to a corporation and now the goverment.
Where do you do your grocery shopping? chances are its either Walmart or kroger
where do you buy your clothes?
IMO thats a pretty poor example. And if corporations and Goverment isnt running a casino then gambling happens to be illegal. Setup a dice game this afternoon in your garage then call the police over to check things out and see what they have to say.

2. - Charles Barkley hardly gives a crap about his gambling "problem" considering he said he was X amount of dollars in debt and was able to write a check and be done with it. Thats a really piss poor example.

As far as the casino issue is concerned - I dont gamble. If im going to lose money I would rather have something material in its place. (food,clothes,etc)
But Wichita missed out not getting a casino, restaurants, hotels another entertainement venue for concerts and shows, etc

people need to stop worrying about there neighbor. Unless they are causing PHYSICAL harm to themselves, their family or others around them who gives a rats ass if they go spend 20 bucks a night in the slot machine. Its not your business. And if a husband is dumb enough to spend his families life savings at a casino then his wife is even dumber for staying with him.

As far as the pastor comments go we live in a society now where these people pull alot of weight. And thats fine I understand they are "spirtual advisors" and help you "get right" and so forth. But to me everything seems to be about religion these days.
Im not a very religious person what so ever and have actually been put off by all the talk. I dont care what a candidates religon is because in the end it should be about his policies.

blah who really cares I guess Ill hang out at my sister in laws more now since she lives in Mulvane.

Good try ASM but you will never convince those who believe they have the moral high ground that they dont know whats best for everyone else.Many of these same people chatise others as anti american (if they dont agree with them) or triumph how great the American capitalist system, yet at the same time when people freely choose how they wish to spend their money or live their lives they have a list of cans and cannots.

These self anointed saints gather together and tell each other how wonderful they are and how weak, sad and pathetic everyone else is and pretend what a great world this would be if everyone else just accepted the truth, their truth. They will tell you its Gods truth or whatever other icon dominates their daliy lives.

Im not condemning spirituallity, I believe its good to look inside and hope for a greater good. Im also not saying that all business should be tolerated(eg some types of porn), but those are extremes.

I come from a state with gaming. Its highly regulated, countless people enjoy it. The city and state have made millions in tax revenue and many people have good jobs because of it. Are there some people who abuse it? Yes there are, but I was at a buffet yesterday and you should see all the fat people. Can you not say these people are eating themselves to a quick grave, thus depriving their families of love, finances, and costing you and me money by over burdening our health care system. Why not vote to get rid of buffets or perhaps fat people!

I can hear it now, Yes KC but the crime rate rises, yes it does, but thats the cost of doing business.

The final argument that critics of gambling make is this: "Casinos bring crime with them to areas that didn't have crime before." Since many casino towns have been built on grassland and prairie and water, yes, indeed, once a casino goes up so does crime. But is the influx of some dirty rotten scoundrels unique to casinos or is it the cost of doing business?

Let's do an experiment. Let's make all the casinos of America vanish. Right now. Poof! They're now gone. Like George Bailey in "It's A Wonderful Life," they never existed. In their place, let us make huge shopping centers suddenly appear. So what happens? Crime goes up! Why? Because huge shopping centers attract people with money and people with money attract the nefarious element. I'd be willing to bet that if a study were done concerning land use, the so-called rise in crime that casinos bring would be found to be no greater, and probably much, much less owing to good security, than the rise in crime that huge shopping malls bring.

Frank Scoblete gaming expert

I can say this, hope you all will drive to Mulvane and enjoy all the new capital improvements, after all I wonder who paid for it.

There falls the words of fools about my ears
To hasten by the years the journey that I make through myself.
The travellers that pass by me as I wend my way
All reaching out to say their path can find the way
To the truth.
Answers everywhere, promising solutions to my fears
Leading through halls with no doors in the walls
And leave me in the darkness.
But to close my ears to all will bar the way
For those who've travelled through.

Ralph Towner " The Silence of a Candle"

http://www.magenta.co.il/ofirz/music/tabs/silence.crd

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[WSU Shocker]

When I spend money at a movie theater, I get something in return. Whe n I buy something from Wal-Mart, I get something in return. I think you get the idea...

If what Charles Barkley did was okay, why did he apologize on national TV for his actions?

I'll refer to what RoyalShock wrote earlier. Everyone has the right to "push" for an issue when voting comes along. The Wichita pro-casino group lost because it underestimated its opponent.

[kcshocker11]

When I spend money at a movie theater, I get something in return. Whe n I buy something from Wal-Mart, I get something in return. I think you get the idea...

If what Charles Barkley did was okay, why did he apologize on national TV for his actions?

I'll refer to what RoyalShock wrote earlier. Everyone has the right to "push" for an issue when voting comes along. The Wichita pro-casino group lost because it underestimated its opponent.

When you travel what do you get? You get an experience! After its over you have nothing tangible. Well maybe a t shirt. These people are paying for something they want to do!

Barkley was apoligizing for making Wynn sue him. He has a problem,but dont condemn a entire industry for a few.

[dregn]

When I gamble I get as much in return as I do watching a movie, sometimes more if it's a bad movie. To each there own. Also it amazes me how different parts of christianity look at gambling, drinking, etc when they all read the same books. I grew up playing bingo and watching people play pull tabs at the church bazzaar every year so I guess it was never a big deal to me.

[SB Shock]

The best thing is to watch people/community greed tie up the casino in litigation. :yahoo:

[fastbow]

One part of this issue you've all forgotten is the location of the casino.

I never heard a final place for it, but I had heard from several sources that it would be going in Century II.

That was the main reason I opposed it. Wichita has a wonderful arts community, and a good part of it comes from CII. How would the Wichita Symphony, Wichita Grand Opera, and Music Theater of Wichita be affected by a casino in CII? Negatively.

I'd rather Wichita lose a casino than lose these institutions...

[kcshocker11]

The best thing is to watch people/community greed tie up the casino in litigation. :yahoo:

So you think litigation is the answer. Well all forprofit businesses are build with a touch of greed. You say if someone doesnt like them try to tie them up in courts? 8)

[kcshocker11]

One part of this issue you've all forgotten is the location of the casino.

I never heard a final place for it, but I had heard from several sources that it would be going in Century II.

That was the main reason I opposed it. Wichita has a wonderful arts community, and a good part of it comes from CII. How would the Wichita Symphony, Wichita Grand Opera, and Music Theater of Wichita be affected by a casino in CII? Negatively.

I'd rather Wichita lose a casino than lose these institutions...

Ah a rational reason at last!

but then again

Ever been to the art museums at the casinos in Vegas

http://www.bellagio.com/amenities/gallery-of-fine-art.aspx

The casino will be a major project not like the little riverboats in Mo!

Heres one proposed for the Legends Speedway area. Take the virtual tour and see what you think (if you dare!).

http://www.legendssun.com/common/tour.html

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[shockandawe08]

You know, it's funny. None of the arguments against gambling, that I quoted previously, worked with my relative, either. So I guess family gatherings will continue to be incomplete. In fact, they're just going to get worse, since I live in Sumner County. :roll:
As in all things, moderation seems to be the key. Just because I have a love affair with Sara Lee's cheesecake bites right now (they're new!) doesn't mean I'm obese (I'm not) or the fact that I have been known in the past to drink like a fish during some Superbowl or New Year's Eve parties, in the comfort of my own home, doesn't make me an alcoholic. I'm not trying to take the moral high ground, just for the sake of morality. There are higher stakes for me.
But, it could be worse. My relative doesn't drink at all. Can you imagine the number of inebriated people driving away from the casinos at all hours? At least it's not in my backyard. Not my money, not my business, not my problem, right?

[kcshocker11]

You know, it's funny. None of the arguments against gambling, that I quoted previously, worked with my relative, either. So I guess family gatherings will continue to be incomplete. In fact, they're just going to get worse, since I live in Sumner County. :roll:
As in all things, moderation seems to be the key. Just because I have a love affair with Sara Lee's cheesecake bites right now (they're new!) doesn't mean I'm obese (I'm not) or the fact that I have been known in the past to drink like a fish during some Superbowl or New Year's Eve parties, in the comfort of my own home, doesn't make me an alcoholic. I'm not trying to take the moral high ground, just for the sake of morality. There are higher stakes for me.
But, it could be worse. My relative doesn't drink at all. Can you imagine the number of inebriated people driving away from the casinos at all hours? At least it's not in my backyard. Not my money, not my business, not my problem, right?

No you just have to be satisfied with the drunks from bars and those who leave home by choosing to go to Quik trip after they get the munchies.
:D 8) 8)

Casinos dont want drunks there. To much liitagation potential and ticks off other players. They are quick to cut them off and call a cab if necessary.

[shockandawe08]

kc,

I don't think I ever got the "munchies" while drinking. ;-)
You make good points, though. Hopefully, most bars follow the same procedures to avoid possible litigation. I've read of several accidents near casinos, but as far as I know, those were due to the high volume of traffic.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

my aim isnt to convince anybody differently of their opinions. Im merely stating them and more than willing to agree to disagree and move on.

In regards to Charles Barkley he apologized because he stepped out on a tab. Not from his gambling.
He admitted the excess in what he was doing. But i digress

Its my personal belief that some people will turn the freedowm of gambling into a problem. I dont think it would be the norm. But unfortunately we cant coddle everybody. Its here regardless of the casino. Would the percentage of habitual abusers spike? Probably but not near the rate the religous folk seem to think. Prostitution will still be around. If the casino was built it wouldnt add to the problem. The problem would migrate from one central location to the other.
Drugs will always be a "problem"

And also any of the stuff the casino is purported to "add" to the city was never a given as well. With Wichita we are in a "build it and they will come" Everything we do is going to come with a high risk of very little reward. WE are going to have to depend on our citizens and those of the close surrounding area to support and frequents places like the casino and an amusement park and anything else we build.

But hell people complain about paying a $5 cover charge to get into a club so it is what it is.

[SB Shock]

The best thing is to watch people/community greed tie up the casino in litigation. :yahoo:

So you think litigation is the answer. Well all forprofit businesses are build with a touch of greed. You say if someone doesnt like them try to tie them up in courts? 8)

It's not the opponents of the casino who are litigating, but those who covet the casino who are litigating. :yahoo:

There is a lawsuit by sumner county suing mulvane due to annexation issues. You have Potawatomi Nation suing because State of Kansas chose Harrahs (evidently there was a non-compete agreement between Harrah and Potowatomi) and then you had Mulvane suing Sumner county.

I have read it may be several years before the litigation will be cleared up and the project will even be able to move forward. 8)