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  • #61
    Job 38:4
    "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
    Tell me, if you understand."
    "If you're going to do it, you're going to do it right," athletic director Jim Schaus said. "If we're going to put 'Wichita State' across our chest, then every team is going to matter."

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    • #62
      Originally posted by KC Shox
      Lastly, I've mentioned my belief in God, I believe in Jesus, but my last question is, God created man and by doing so, he gave man the ability to think, adapt, learn, experience, and evolve to become the highest form of life on this planet. By being the most intelligent creature on this earth, hasn't God allowed man to discover the ways of the world and all the questions that are associated with it.

      I do not think of God as being a tyrant or he would have not created man with the idea of allowing him to progress to the humans we are today only to limit him in any matter once man has reached a point in his progression where he knows or asks too much. Meaning, I accept that man will never be as powerful or all knowing as God, but if God did not intend man to think and ask questions regarding his origins and life on earth, why would he give him the ability to do so? He could have easily created man to act and think like a earthworm for instance, if man ever reached the point of questioning life, origins, religion or God himself.

      Humans begin the learning process as soon as they are born, it is instinctual and inherent in humans to think, ask and learn and this process does not stop. I guess what I'm trying to say or ask is, does God allow man to think and learn the way of things on this earth, but when it comes to the Bible and everything in it we don't ask - we just accept it as Faith?

      I'm not sure if this was answered, but I think this is a good question KC. I've thought about this some myself and to me it comes down to free will. God knowingly gave us all free will to think and learn and decide for ourselves. Its also the free will to sin and do things that displease him, and He knew that would happen as well. But I think He wanted us to come to know Him on our own, through that free will. Think of it this way, would you love your parents more because everyone told you to, or if you grew with them, felt their love and chose to love them? That's what He wants us to do (or at least that's what I think), is to use that free will to choose to study His word and come to know and love Him.

      The other part of your question is harder to answer, as to us understanding or just accepting all things. God and His power is inconceivable to our human minds. Even the descriptions of God in the Bible were written by mere men, trying to use words to describe the indescribable! As one poster above quoted from Job, when Job questioned God about how He did things, His answer was essentially "where were you when I created the heavens and the earth?" (Taken from Todd Agnew) Some things we just can't understand so in that case we do rely on faith. Its like Jesus told Thomas after he touched the nail marks on his hands and the hole in his side, "blessed are you for believing, but more blessed are those who did not have to see and still believed" (paraphrased). Jesus did many miracles but yet the people kept saying they would believe if they saw a sign, and he said I have already shown you many signs, and God's word spoke of my coming for hundreds of years. So rather than contuing to asking God to show us or explain things, some things we do take on faith.

      I hope that has somewhat answered your question, and I hope I made sense. I'm not quoting any great theologian, those are just my thoughts and I hope maybe that helps explain why we "take things on faith" sometimes.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by WuShockFan
        Just what exactly is God? Please tell me what God is. I'm not being a smart aleck here, I'm seriously asking this question. Because every time I hear people who believe in creationism, I wonder what kind of God they believe in that could physically create human beings and place them on the earth. I guess in my mind, in order to do that you have to have a physical body or a physical presence, because the human body is a complex physical organism that would have to be created by something physical.

        I've heard people say that God is a spirit or God is love, which is a fine explanation, but then I ask myself how can a spirit entity create a physical body like the human body? It doesn't seem logical. I would be interested in hearing what people of faith believe about this.
        I know SB Shock answered this, and very well, but I thought I'd add my thoughts. Kind of like in my earlier post this is a tough one to answer as our human minds aren't capable of fully understanding who God is or how He works. We do know its His desire for us to come to know Him in our time here on earth, and as SB said, because we are imperfect people He took on flesh and sent His son Jesus to offer us salvation and forgiveness of our sins.

        Someone earlier asked if all religions originated from the last supper and catholicism? I'm not sure exactly where that comes from, but "Christianity" began with Jesus, and continued with the disciples preaching about Him after His death. The Jews are God's people, originating from the 12 tribes of Israel, but Jesus brought a message of hope to all people for life in Heaven if they would accept Him. Those who believed and followed Him became the first Christians. I can't speak to all the various denominations and their beliefs but all those who believe Jesus was the son of God and suffered and died for our sins trace their roots to the start of Christianity.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by SFL
          P.S. Is there any other intelligent life in the universe/galaxy?
          Interesting:

          "Vatican: It's OK for Catholics to Believe in Aliens"
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          • #65
            I saw that earlier but haven't read it yet. I'm curious what they have to say...
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            • #66
              First, I am a Triune Christian (Anglican/Episcopalian)

              Second, I truly, most truly & humbly appreciate and acknowledge "but by the grace of God go I"

              Third," mathematics is the language of God"

              That's all I gotta say 'bout that.
              “Losers Average Losers.” ― Paul Tudor Jones

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              • #67
                God and Science can coexist

                In the article it also states that 40% of scientists believe in God. I found that interesting considering what we hear from the MSM.

                It was an interesting article that comes from the different views.
                Infinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
                RIP Guy Always A Shocker
                Carpenter Place - A blessing to many young girls/women
                ICT S.O.S - Great local cause fighting against human trafficking
                Wartick Insurance Agency - Saved me money with more coverage.
                Save Shocker Sports - A rallying cry

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