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Yeah maybe, but he was the greatest boxer of all time and was the most famous person on the face of the earth for a time, no question. -
Ali is a complex topic. I loved watching him. For all of you young whippersnappers, title fights used to be on tv. For free. And I watched every Ali fight I could! They also had this show called Wide World of Sports. It was awesome! Ali was awesome! Not only as a fighter, but as a self promoter and entertainer. I can still clearly picture in my head the Ali-Cosell interviews. Epic!
That said, there was a darker side to Ali, some of the group's he was affiliated with, his hateful rhetoric, the lie he told of throwing his gold medal off a bridge. His questionable draft status. And yes, his anger.
All of that said, criticizing Ali out of the ring might be justified, but it's a little "too soon" for the draft dodger and other negative comments.There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.Comment
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There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.Comment
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Originally posted by MoValley John View Post
Actually John, most of Ali's title defenses were on closed circuit TV which were broadcast at several hundred locations around the country. Cleveland Williams fight in 1966 was closed circuit and the Frazier fights etc all were.Comment
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FIFYOriginally posted by Awesome Sauce Malone View Post"You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."Comment
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The Greatest! The Champ! My heart breaks!I have come here to chew bubblegum and kickass ... and I'm all out of bubblegum.Comment
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True, but they rebroadcast them. I wasn't picky back then.Originally posted by Mr. Obvious View PostThere are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.Comment
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The facts show that he no doubt is the greatest boxer of all time, however, the facts also show that when his country called on him to serve he refused that call. Facts are facts. He no doubt did a lot of great things during his lifetime, but serving with honor in the military was not one of them.Comment
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History is viewed through the context of time. What most folks thought/felt in the 60's is different that what society thinks now. When I was a kid, Thomas Jefferson was viewed as one of the greatest Americans to have ever lived. Nowadays, everybody just writes him off as a slaveholder.Originally posted by OPShocker View PostComment
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The odd thing is that, at present, our society seems incapable of reconciling the complexities of human nature. Things are either black or white, gray is not an option when the world is gray. Good, talented, kind people make bad decisions. Society seems to grab on to one aspect of the person as opposed to recognizing and acknowledging the person as a whole.
Ali is one of those people. As I said, a talented athlete but one who made decisions and comments that he may have regretted but from what I can tell, never made an attempt to make amends.
As for my position, it remains unchanged. I have an uncle, a Marine infantry officer who was KIA in Vietnam and is buried in Arlington. Ali did not see the emotional and physical struggle my aunt went through for decades after his death in a war neither my aunt or uncle believed in. Personally, having fought in a war that I did not believe was just, I have a more difficult time agreeing with Ali's stance.
As for me, the next time I visit Section 60 to see friends, I will also swing by uncle Rod's grave. I will not think of, nor will I care about any of this. At the end of the day, it is about the people we know, love, and respect.Last edited by DUShock; June 7, 2016, 10:36 AM.“Losers Average Losers.” ― Paul Tudor JonesComment
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A black friend of mine (from KC) posted this on Facebook. Thought I'd share.Last edited by pinstripers; June 7, 2016, 05:21 PM.Comment
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I respect DUSHOCK's perspective. However I'm glad I'm one of the millions and millions who he made a little better.In the fast laneComment
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Honest question as I'm too young to remember Ali:Originally posted by tropicalshox View Post
How did he make you and others better people?Livin the dreamComment
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This was a man who had and 8th grade education, at best, yet could hold debates on various issues with noted fellows throughout campuses all around the USA (and beyond).Originally posted by wufan View Post
-Ahem- Intellectuals were stymied (as well as drawn to) by Ali. He could then, while leaving the campus, run into a Mother & her 1 yr. old child and ask the child for a sip from it's baby bottle, and the baby would hand him the bottle. I've never seen a better communicator at any level.
It's called INSPIRATION.Comment
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