OT...Getting Sick of this Spit

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

When people who claim to be Christian go off and shoot up abortion clinics, you won't find a network of support. They are on their own and their actions get denounced. Same with crazy school shooters. There is no network for that. They are nuts.

You bring up a good point.

Every single protest movement has crazy people who act out via terrorism.
Anti-Abortion - Crazy guy shoots up abortionists
Anti-Bullying - Crazy guy shoots up bullies
Anti-War - Crazy guy bombs government buildings
Anti-Police Brutality - Crazy guy executes a cop
Anti-Gay Marriage - Crazy guy kills random gay guy

I could go on and on. The point being, any time you have a protest group with passionate people, some extreme crazies will go too far and be violent. The key is figuring out how many of these crazies are out there and are they supported by the larger protest group as a whole.

When someone shoots up an abortion clinic, 99.9% of the pro-life movement vocally condemns it.
When someone shoots the bullies at their school, 99.9% of the anti-bullying movement vocally condemns it.
Same for anti-war bombings, murders of gays, etc.

The issue around cops and brutality is an interesting one, but I'll save that for another time.

The most unique issue, by far, is extreme Islam. Jihadists willing to kill civilians throughout the world may not be the majority of the world's Muslim population, but they are enough of a sizeable percentage to occupy vast land masses, small armies, and complex networks.

There is no reason to deny that there are dangerous terrorists within nearly all causes. There is also no reason to imply that the scale of these dangers is anywhere nearly equal. It is not the mere existence, but instead the massive scale of Islamic terrorism that demands such significant response.

[MoValley John]

It's now been determined that Farook got the money with a collateral-free loan.

So?

How does a person making as little as he was qualify for $28 k without collateral?

Who cares?

I'm betting somewhere there is a bank examiner examining the bank in question's underwriting guidelines.

Again, so?

But aside from that, we can throw all these conspiracy theories out the window.

What conspiracy theories?

I do think it's highly ironic that a Muslim is borrowing money in such a way. The last Muslim I knew who took out a loan got it from his mosque. It was for a house, which he was not allowed to live in until he had it paid off, as Muslims are very strict about borrowing money.

So?

???

[Rlh04d]

They weren't going home to plan their next attack, they were going home to continue the fight that they started. Previous to the work party, they probably looked at more than one potential target. They may have looked at a shopping mall, a school, a church or whatever. The work party simply presented itself and they took it. From the moment they moved on that target, it was on.

Ah, so we went through several other responses when all you needed to do was state that you agreed when I asked you:

Do you disagree that they were planning a further terrorist attack?

[MoValley John]

Ah, so we went through several other responses when all you needed to do was state that you agreed when I asked you:

But I don't agree. I believe that they planned several potential attacks with the goal to pull only one of single attack. By using the word further, you are saying that they planned to shoot up the party, come home, shoot up the mall, go home and then plant bombs at Disneyland. I completely disagree that that planned to engage in further attacks. They planned several targets, settled on one, and went for it knowing that this was their finale. They shoot up the party, booby trap the house and have a Bonnie and Clyde firefight, game over. They had no plans for further attacks.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

But I don't agree. I believe that they planned several potential attacks with the goal to pull only one of single attack. By using the word further, you are saying that they planned to shoot up the party, come home, shoot up the mall, go home and then plant bombs at Disneyland. I completely disagree that that planned to engage in further attacks. They planned several targets, settled on one, and went for it knowing that this was their finale. They shoot up the party, booby trap the house and have a Bonnie and Clyde firefight, game over. They had no plans for further attacks.

Sounds just like John Holmes.

[Rlh04d]

But I don't agree. I believe that they planned several potential attacks with the goal to pull only one of single attack. By using the word further, you are saying that they planned to shoot up the party, come home, shoot up the mall, go home and then plant bombs at Disneyland. I completely disagree that that planned to engage in further attacks. They planned several targets, settled on one, and went for it knowing that this was their finale. They shoot up the party, booby trap the house and have a Bonnie and Clyde firefight, game over. They had no plans for further attacks.

I have zero interest in continuing to go back and forth over the phenomenally important point of whether they planned to go on further attacks if they survived or whether they planned on other attacks and then were going to do them because they survived. The difference between those two points is about as wide as the tip of a needle, and you're just arguing to argue.

[tropicalshox]

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No terrorists, no workplace violence shooters. Amazing how a few armed police officers at the entrance to the old Union Station can make you feel safe as ****.

The wisdom of the 2nd Amendment giving us the right to "A well regulated Militia.." These days that would translate to police. The 2nd Amendment can easily be interpreted to mean well reguated, local police have the right to bear arms. Nothing more.

[wu_shizzle]

The wisdom of the 2nd Amendment giving us the right to "A well regulated Militia.." These days that would translate to police. The 2nd Amendment can easily be interpreted to mean well reguated, local police have the right to bear arms. Nothing more.

Are the Police or even the National Guard organized to resist the federal government?

Because that's the original intent of the 2nd Ammendment.

[MoValley John]

The wisdom of the 2nd Amendment giving us the right to "A well regulated Militia.." These days that would translate to police. The 2nd Amendment can easily be interpreted to mean well reguated, local police have the right to bear arms. Nothing more.

Except.........
The Supreme Court has over the years interpreted it completely differently. You can have your opinion on intent, but precedent says otherwise.

States, on the other hand, are free to regulate guns. If I were a good, well intended liberal president, senator or congressman, I'd attack gun laws with federal dollars. I'd craft uniform laws for states to pass, then I'd withhold education and highway dollars from the states that didn't pass the legislation. All nice and neat.

[Kung Wu]

The wisdom of the 2nd Amendment giving us the right to "A well regulated Militia.." These days that would translate to police. The 2nd Amendment can easily be interpreted to mean well reguated, local police have the right to bear arms. Nothing more.

Uh, no.