KSHSAA Multiplier

[shoxlax]

Interesting results.

Reading into it, I would say the 6A and 5A schools obviously fear Miege.

I'm a little surprised 1A and 2A voted for it, as outside of maybe Berean Academy I haven't noticed any dominant private schools.

Maybe they fear tiny private “basketball factories” popping up in bigger towns and cities.

[RoyalShock]

You mean Elyria Christian isn’t a powerhouse?

lol, not any more than Central Christian!

[Ted Lasso's Neighbor]

I looked around to see if there was a document showing who voted yes and no because I was interested in which 6A schools voted yes. Didn't find anything but found an article in the Liberal newspaper that said they were 6A and voted yes. I looked at the classifications and they're like 2nd from the bottom of 6A, so if a couple of the 5A private schools got bumped up, Liberal would drop down to 5A for everything while still maintaining and even growing. I can see why they would vote yes. I imagine the other 5 yes's were the rest of the bottom of 6A in terms of school enrollment. I'm sure they'd all be happy taking on 5A schools instead of 6A schools and grow in size as well.

Also, I think the 6A schools are more concerned about Bishop Carroll and St Thomas Aquinas than Miege. Maybe to a lesser degree even concerned with Kapaun, but Kapaun mainly dominates golf and tennis, and at times basketball. But Bishop Carroll and St Thomas Aquinas could probably win the state 6A football, and seems like football is the big HS sports thing in Kansas given all the media coverage it gets in the fall and the rest of high school sports don't get anything like it the rest of the year.

I'm not surprised with the 5A vote. I think they basically see it as losing some private schools and they're replaced with either bigger schools from 6A, or having to deal with Miege, and the majority of AD's would rather not have to deal with either. The 4A public schools just want to quit losing to Miege, so no surprise on their vote :) The whole thing is probably just a moral victory for them though - Miege will still be an issue next year and I can't see the legislature passing things in the future, or if they do, it could be challenged in court and delayed.

It was interesting how little media coverage there was of the vote. I don't think anyone in the Wichita media mentioned it outside of CatchItKansas and any news articles I found were in smaller town newspapers. Maybe the vote isn't that big of deal and whether or not it actually goes into effect due to state law is the only thing newsworthy about it to the media.

[Ted Lasso's Neighbor]

In case you're wondering who won what when it comes to state championships, here's a good link - http://www.kshsaachamps.org/StateChampions/ You can see all of the state champs from the current year and if you click on the Championship History link for the sport, it'll show past champions.

[rrshock]

Interesting results.

Reading into it, I would say the 6A and 5A schools obviously fear Miege.

I'm a little surprised 1A and 2A voted for it, as outside of maybe Berean Academy I haven't noticed any dominant private schools.

And Berean has tapered off a little.

I think the 1a and 2a voted for it just in case someone gets hot again, or new small privates open up.

[MoValley John]

This still seems like really odd timing with open enrollment, or whatever it's called, starting. I've already heard of a number of public schools working angles to attract certain talent to them.

Open enrollment became a thing in Nebraska several years ago. If you don't think the public schools will be recruiting 7th and 8th graders, you're kidding yourself. My son played varsity football as a freshman and started sophomore through senior year. In 8th grade, we had to keep coaches away from him. His Saturday game would end and a coach would bend his ear. I always walked down to the field to protect my son from these guys, as soon as I'd introduce myself as his father, the spiel turned to "you're the guy we want to talk to." I'd tell them I wasn't interested and to keep away from my son. After his sophomore year, I got calls from several public schools asking if he was happy. I kept him in the school in our district. That said, transfers are rampant, especially in football and baseball. What goes on in srlect and high school baseball is absolute disgusting bullshit.

Gretna High School was stripped of their state football title for using an ineligible player.
https://usatodayhss.com/2022/nebrask...e-championship
Gretna cheated and got caught. They have tried to downplay it and claim he lived in the district, but he really lived with his mom, but his dad lived in the district, he was flat out recruited from one public school to another.

[Kung Wu]

lol, not any more than Central Christian!

Now it's getting personal. Back off pal!!

[Shockm]

This still seems like really odd timing with open enrollment, or whatever it's called, starting. I've already heard of a number of public schools working angles to attract certain talent to them.

How has this new Open Enrollment policy changed anything, regarding athletics. Athletics still requires a family to move or wait 16 weeks which has always been one semester, to be eligible (no change), and moving into a friend, cousin, grandmothers house, or an apartment that isn't a bonafide family move has never been allowed.

[SubGod22]

How has this new Open Enrollment policy changed anything, regarding athletics. Athletics still requires a family to move or wait 16 weeks which has always been one semester, to be eligible (no change), and moving into a friend, cousin, grandmothers house, or an apartment that isn't a bonafide family move has never been allowed.

Never? I've seen it allowed.

[Shockm]

Never? I've seen it allowed.

The State does an investigation into each case, by asking school officials from both schools to verify why kids have left their school. They are not allowed to change schools for athletics. The exact question on the form (in the past anyway) sent out by state school officials used to be "has the student/family made a bonafide move"? Now, there are exceptions to this if for example, the parents moved to another city for the father's job, and the student wanted to not move, so they moved in with Grandma, etc. But both schools have to sign on, before eligibility is granted.

[Ted Lasso's Neighbor]

How has this new Open Enrollment policy changed anything, regarding athletics. Athletics still requires a family to move or wait 16 weeks which has always been one semester, to be eligible (no change), and moving into a friend, cousin, grandmothers house, or an apartment that isn't a bonafide family move has never been allowed.

The State does an investigation into each case, by asking school officials from both schools to verify why kids have left their school. They are not allowed to change schools for athletics. The exact question on the form (in the past anyway) sent out by state school officials used to be "has the student/family made a bonafide move"? Now, there are exceptions to this if for example, the parents moved to another city for the father's job, and the student wanted to not move, so they moved in with Grandma, etc. But both schools have to sign on, before eligibility is granted.

Are you talking about House Bill 2567 which goes into effect on January 1, 2024, or something else? That's the bill we're talking about in this thread when we mention open enrollment.

https://shockernet.net/forum/miscell...28#post1352428

[SubGod22]

The State does an investigation into each case, by asking school officials from both schools to verify why kids have left their school. They are not allowed to change schools for athletics. The exact question on the form (in the past anyway) sent out by state school officials used to be "has the student/family made a bonafide move"? Now, there are exceptions to this if for example, the parents moved to another city for the father's job, and the student wanted to not move, so they moved in with Grandma, etc. But both schools have to sign on, before eligibility is granted.

My HS benefited from a student who left a neighboring district and enrolled in ours. His parents didn't move. I do think he had a grandmother that lived in our district, but I'm not positive. He sure didn't live with her. He was a starting LB and RB on the football team and a starting G on the basketball team. He may have played baseball too, but I pretty much checked out of sports in the spring when I was in HS. But he left a rival school and came to us strictly for sports. At the time, I think he was more basketball focused and we definitely had the superior program at that time. He ended up playing college football.

I also know a couple of girls around that same time who grew up in our district, made no physical move, and transferred to another area school because they liked the basketball coach better. They played at one school while their brother continued to play at our school.

None of the examples above required any wait period.

I believe there was another case of someone enrolling at the HS when my brother played and that too was a sports move and sports move only. I believe he used a grandma in the district.

Basically KSHSAA isn't near as strict about the alleged rules as some seem to think.

I've heard of other similar situations since the ones I know much more about. I have no reason to doubt those stories either. I've had friends involved in coaching at area schools that even talked about it going on and occasionally losing players to those tactics. Or them seeing others at their schools actively recruiting players to "move".

I do have a niece that is about to do it, but she's a special case as her mother works for one district while living in another. So she attends one because mom works there but will be transferring to the one they actually live in. That one is a technicality that works within the rules.

Maybe every case above simply had all of the schools involved completely okay with allowing top athletes at their schools go to the competition out of the goodness of their hearts and waive any restrictions. I doubt it though. I'm guessing most students just claim "hardship" and apparently KSHSAA doesn't need much proof of it.

[Shockm]

Maybe every case above simply had all of the schools involved completely okay with allowing top athletes at their schools go to the competition out of the goodness of their hearts and waive any restrictions. I doubt it though. I'm guessing most students just claim "hardship" and apparently KSHSAA doesn't need much proof of it.

This would be my guess. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the athletic rule hasn't changed. There are exceptions for a bonafide move, but both schools usually have to agree for the student to be immediately eligible. And both schools usually consider what is best for the student. If family turmoil or other turmoil is happening (a divorce, family disagreements, bad decisions from the athlete in which it is thought the student would be best served around other friends, etc.). There are many reasons that the school in which the student is leaving would agree that it is in the best interests of the student if he/she does move to another school. Additionally, the KSHSAA, and their school may not be able to determine the exact reason for the student wanting to move. Some of the reasons are best kept as private as possible, but I don't see the schools in the KSHSAA changing the rule to keep the student from just jumping around willy nilly, and the school that the student is leaving has a "big say" with this issue.

[SubGod22]

This would be my guess. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the athletic rule hasn't changed. There are exceptions for a bonafide move, but both schools usually have to agree for the student to be immediately eligible. And both schools usually consider what is best for the student. If family turmoil or other turmoil is happening (a divorce, family disagreements, bad decisions from the athlete in which it is thought the student would be best served around other friends, etc.). There are many reasons that the school in which the student is leaving would agree that it is in the best interests of the student if he/she does move to another school. Additionally, the KSHSAA, and their school may not be able to determine the exact reason for the student wanting to move. Some of the reasons are best kept as private as possible, but I don't see the schools in the KSHSAA changing the rule to keep the student from just jumping around willy nilly, and the school that the student is leaving has a "big say" with this issue.

Actually the rule changed a couple of years ago where the athlete would now have to sit an entire year. I still don't think it is or will be strictly enforced.

And I can state as nearly absolute fact that there were no hardships in the two cases I was around for. Essentially, the rule is pretty much all bark and no bite and the open enrollment will just make it easier as schools will be restricted from saying no if there's room available.

[SHOCKvalue]

Now it's getting personal. Back off pal!!

I bet he's talking about Central Christian HS in Hutch.