The war on drugs

[Kung Wu]

hey, I did a little more research and found that Netherlands has 19% more crime victims per capita than the U.S.

But are we talking about murder, rape, etc, or are we talkin' about fashion crime like @_kai_: posted in another thread? Each country gets to define what is criminal and it often skews those results pretty badly. Shoot a link.

[SB Shock]

But are we talking about murder, rape, etc, or are we talkin' about fashion crime like @_kai_ posted in another thread? Each country gets to define what is criminal and it often skews those results pretty badly. Shoot a link.

www.google.com

put in netherland crime rate

[kcshocker11]

Netherlands murder 8.7 per 1 mil pop
Total pop 16.8 mil
134 total in 2006

Total pop 1.7 mil in KC metro
In KCMO 112 in 2006 (this is only KCMO proper, doesnt include KCK, Johnson cty, Platte county, Clay county etc)
other crimes will show similar results.

Its almost safer to be in the Netherlands than KCMO and a whole lot cleaner!

I know Ive been there many times

[SB Shock]

Netherlands murder 8.7 per 1 mil pop
Total pop 16.8 mil
134 total in 2006

Total pop 1.7 mil in KC metro
In KCMO 112 in 2006 (this is only KCMO proper, doesnt include KCK, Johnson cty, Platte county, Clay county etc)
other crimes will show similar results.

Its almost safer to be in the Netherlands than KCMO and a whole lot cleaner!

I know Ive been there many times

Especially on the Missouri side...

What is STL in comparison?

[kcshocker11]

Worse much worse Its like top 5 murder cap of US

[SB Shock]

Worse much worse Its like top 5 murder cap of US

Maybe the MVC should move the b-ball tournament to Amsterdam?

[kcshocker11]

Maybe the MVC should move the b-ball tournament to Amsterdam?

Now thats the spirit!

[Shockm]

These unintended consequences weren't the forecasted outcomes when drugs were decriminalized in Oregon approximately 2 years ago.

Oregon overdoses reach record highs after decriminalization of hard drugs

https://www.allsides.com/news/2022-0...ion-hard-drugs

[AZ Shocker]

These unintended consequences weren't the forecasted outcomes when drugs were decriminalized in Oregon approximately 2 years ago.

Oregon overdoses reach record highs after decriminalization of hard drugs

Who would've thought? Never would've guessed.

[Kung Wu]

I used to parrot that the war on drugs was a failure, because that's what everyone said and I just sorta believed it. I never really considered the counter arguments. But if what we had prior to decriminalization is what it takes to keep the Mexican cartels from establishing strongholds in America, I'm not so sure the war on drugs was the failure most thought it was.

Having the cartels operate in the US on a large scale is super nasty, as they will eventually buy off key politicians and corrupt law enforcement agencies beyond repair. At that point we are a 2nd world country with the outside appearance of being 1st world.

People sitting in jail for "small" drug offenses sucks, sure. That's fixable without legalizing or decriminalizing though. That downside is far, far less concerning than Mexican cartels operating with impunity in the US and their claws dug deeply into our legal system.

If I was a Mexican cartel warlord, I would pour money into US supporting politicians that are for:

Open borders
Decriminalization of marijuana
Gun bans

[WuDrWu]

I used to parrot that the war on drugs was a failure, because that's what everyone said and I just sorta believed it. I never really considered the counter arguments. But if what we had prior to decriminalization is what it takes to keep the Mexican cartels from establishing strongholds in America, I'm not so sure the war on drugs was the failure most thought it was.

Having the cartels operate in the US on a large scale is super nasty, as they will eventually buy off key politicians and corrupt law enforcement agencies beyond repair. At that point we are a 2nd world country with the outside appearance of being 1st world.

People sitting in jail for "small" drug offenses sucks, sure. That's fixable without legalizing or decriminalizing though. That downside is far, far less concerning than Mexican cartels operating with impunity in the US and their claws dug deeply into our legal system.

If I was a Mexican cartel warlord, I would pour money into US supporting politicians that are for:

Open borders
Decriminalization of marijuana
Gun bans

That is more than an uncomfortable thought.

[SubGod22]

Legalization along with reasonable checks and balances for quality control takes power away from the cartels. The war on drugs only gives them more money and power as they're the only supplier for certain things and in certain areas. Taking that power away from them makes people safer, because the products will be safer and you don't have to worry about tainted/laced product when it's actually going through quality control checks and not just coming from random people and places with no accountability.

Also, the war on drugs has ruined many a family and lives in general because many people who have never harmed a soul end up with records and/or in prison because gov't says it's bad. Some families are separated because of that. Kids grow up without parents. Or, they have parents who have a hard time getting jobs because they have a weak ass felony on their record and many employers treat that as an automatic no. Government didn't care when they enacted these unjust laws because it mostly effected black people and that's why these drugs were made illegal to begin with. It had nothing to do with any real safety measures, it was all about the made up lies that it made black people crazy and they were going to rape and terrorize white women and such.

As it is, taxpayers are on the hook for millions upon millions to keep losing the war on drugs, as they're just as easy to get now than before the "war"; then we waste millions upon millions more to incarcerate, harass, and otherwise punish people who are harming nobody and interfering with the rights of nobody. Those should probably read billions, but I don't want to look up the numbers right now.

If you're truly concerned about the welfare of those that use, stop making them hide in the shadows. Stop making them buy from un-trusted sources. Make it easier for them to get help without being punished. Legalize it, then use those taxes to educate and rehabilitate instead of continuing to worsen society by making their lives even worse off because gov't says so.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

I used to parrot that the war on drugs was a failure, because that's what everyone said and I just sorta believed it. I never really considered the counter arguments. But if what we had prior to decriminalization is what it takes to keep the Mexican cartels from establishing strongholds in America, I'm not so sure the war on drugs was the failure most thought it was.

Having the cartels operate in the US on a large scale is super nasty, as they will eventually buy off key politicians and corrupt law enforcement agencies beyond repair. At that point we are a 2nd world country with the outside appearance of being 1st world.

People sitting in jail for "small" drug offenses sucks, sure. That's fixable without legalizing or decriminalizing though. That downside is far, far less concerning than Mexican cartels operating with impunity in the US and their claws dug deeply into our legal system.

If I was a Mexican cartel warlord, I would pour money into US supporting politicians that are for:

Open borders
Decriminalization of marijuana
Gun bans

Hunter Biden is probably already organizing this.

[Shockm]

Legalization along with reasonable checks and balances for quality control takes power away from the cartels. The war on drugs only gives them more money and power as they're the only supplier for certain things and in certain areas. Taking that power away from them makes people safer, because the products will be safer and you don't have to worry about tainted/laced product when it's actually going through quality control checks and not just coming from random people and places with no accountability.

Also, the war on drugs has ruined many a family and lives in general because many people who have never harmed a soul end up with records and/or in prison because gov't says it's bad. Some families are separated because of that. Kids grow up without parents. Or, they have parents who have a hard time getting jobs because they have a weak ass felony on their record and many employers treat that as an automatic no. Government didn't care when they enacted these unjust laws because it mostly effected black people and that's why these drugs were made illegal to begin with. It had nothing to do with any real safety measures, it was all about the made up lies that it made black people crazy and they were going to rape and terrorize white women and such.

As it is, taxpayers are on the hook for millions upon millions to keep losing the war on drugs, as they're just as easy to get now than before the "war"; then we waste millions upon millions more to incarcerate, harass, and otherwise punish people who are harming nobody and interfering with the rights of nobody. Those should probably read billions, but I don't want to look up the numbers right now.

If you're truly concerned about the welfare of those that use, stop making them hide in the shadows. Stop making them buy from un-trusted sources. Make it easier for them to get help without being punished. Legalize it, then use those taxes to educate and rehabilitate instead of continuing to worsen society by making their lives even worse off because gov't says so.

That’s the theory anyway. Maybe the theory will prove correct. This theory isn’t working the way it was predicted.

[wufan]

These unintended consequences weren't the forecasted outcomes when drugs were decriminalized in Oregon approximately 2 years ago.

Oregon overdoses reach record highs after decriminalization of hard drugs

https://www.allsides.com/news/2022-0...ion-hard-drugs

The rate of overdose deaths in West Virginia is three times as high.