Should KU & KSU join the MVC?

[shock]

I'm not complaining. All it does after last year is open up more atlarge for the mids

[KC Shox]

What a ridiculous question/thought.

[MadDog]

MVJ I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on KSU football attendance. Ive had season football tix for 18 years. They really are getting about 50k in attendance for EKU Saturday night with only maybe 200 of those being EKU fans. With all that surrounds a football Saturday, including hosting ESPN's College Gameday, I'm not sure what you think a BCS program is. My point is that they are way above a MWC or Confirm USA school in football. And yes I believe they will lose that if/when the B12 falls apart. It would be a shame for them and us as Kansans if we end up like Montana.

[MoValley John]

MVJ I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on KSU football attendance. Ive had season football tix for 18 years. They really are getting about 50k in attendance for EKU Saturday night with only maybe 200 of those being EKU fans. With all that surrounds a football Saturday, including hosting ESPN's College Gameday, I'm not sure what you think a BCS program is. My point is that they are way above a MWC or Confirm USA school in football. And yes I believe they will lose that if/when the B12 falls apart. It would be a shame for them and us as Kansans if we end up like Montana.

You really think that is anything special? At $10 a pop? Goading people to buy tickets by dropping your pants on the price is no way to claim that you're BCS material. And by offering $10 tickets, Kansas State still finished 8th in average attendance last year and 10th in total attendance! Any BCS school that almost gives tickets away, really has problems. Northern Iowa tickets all cost more than ten bucks for every game. If you look at the list of Big XII schools that are crapping their pants now, with the exception of Colorado who bailed to the PAC, all of them are teams with similar attendance figures. Look at the figures, with the exception of OSU, which has T. Boone Pickens and is tied to the hip with Oklahoma, it's not hard to separate the players from the pretenders.

http://turfburner.com/the-feed/item/367-total-big-12-football-attendance-rankings-and-figures

I know it 's hard for a fan to accept, but Kansas State is what the country thinks Kansas State is.

[wsushox1]

With WVU headed to the SEC, the Big East is looking like a likely land for KU.

[MoValley John]

From Sports Illustrated:



I'd say it was a sellout, but it's quite a bit less than 50,000 Kansas State fans for this game last year. In fact, Kansas State fans should be called "sellouts" for letting this happen to their home field.

[MoValley John]

I'm not trying to be an ass, so I will stop right after this. You can buy a ticket to the Oklahoma game for $65. Of course, in stadiums that aren't easily sold out, it is smart to charge more for a bigger draw. So Kansas State jacks up the price for premium games against Oklahoma and other teams that have a fanbase that will gobble up the tickets. It's a sellout. Then the Kansas State ticket office entices fans to purchase an additional Iowa State ticket for a mere twenty bucks? Twenty bucks for a conference game? A BCS conference game. I get it, Kansas State gets the locals to load up on the deal, scalp the OU tickets to visiting fans for a hundred, and then try to get whatever they can for the Iowa State tickets and the fans pocket the profits. Works for everyone involved. This is how K-State inflates their attendance figures. Not too BCS-ish, more like, we will make our revenue on the backs of the real programs. This should illustrate just how "not much different" K-State is from many FCS teams that merely weren't lucky enough to be included in a big conference in the early 1900's.

http://ev12.evenue.net/evenue/linkID=kansuse/images/kansuse_upsell.gif

[ShockerFever]

MVJ, in both posts, ftw.. :good: :clap: :clap:

KSU's attendance is so inflated with bandies and conference opponents in its big sports, it's not even funny.

The women's basketball team was outdrawing the men's 5-7 years ago. Their football attendance is carried considerably by Nebraska and Oklahoma fans, and to a lesser extent KU and Texas when they come in to Mancrappin.

KSU is a mid-major school, at best, lucked into a BCS conference.

Not for long though.

[Aargh]

When KSU opened their current basketball facility a few years ago (a brand new facility), they went on the season-ticket sales drive to end season-ticket sales drives. They sold 7,000 season tickets.

After the season-ticket sales drive ended, KSU announced they were giving out 6,000 student tickets and that every game was sold out.

Even with KSU's recent ascendance to some level of respectability in basketball, they still reserve 6,000 tickets for students. That indicates they still can't sell more than 7,000 tickets to their games.

[rjl]

It's threads like these that have me seriously question the scholastic prowess of my alma matter.

[Aargh]

It's threads like these that have me seriously question the scholastic prowess of my alma matter.

You went to K-State?

[MoValley John]

I'm not trying to bag on Kansas State, really I'm not. That said, I'm a bigtime college football junkie. I've been to every stadium in the Big XII, most in the Big 10 and a few in the SEC. When I was in the military, I attended games at San Diego State, UCLA, USC, Cal, Maryland and even Virginia and Virginia Tech. I never made it to Pitt, but I wanted to. I don't travel like I used to, I have five kids, a wife, a house and other responsibilities. Even with the dysfunction, uneven playing field, lack of a playoff system and the BCS's stranglehold and collusion to keep the likes of Boise and TCU out of the MNC picture, I love bigtime college football, I always will. And I have followed this realignment fiasco since the Big 10 first came out with their statement that they were considering expansion.

That said, I've seen Kansas State firsthand and can compare them to other players and pretenders; Kansas State is what I've portrayed. I know Kansas State fans won't like it, but it is what it is and they are who we thought they were. In reality, without trying to sound patronizing, I feel sorry for them. They are in trouble and in the present environment, Kansas State is irrelevant. Almost as irrelevant as Northern Iowa and Appalacian State. Probably more irrelevent than Appy. This is sad but true. Kansas State has no national following and really, not even a regional following. With a few pockets of fans in KC, and the occasional fan here and there, almost all of Kansas State's fans reside within the state of Kansas. There is little to no room for growth, there isn't the population base to matter on a national level and in the last hundred years, they can only hang their hat on around a decade of winning. That decade has passed.

Kansas State has nothing to offer any BCS conference outside of possibly the Big East. And all they offer the Big East is as a placeholder. The Big East needs teams and they will take any team in the Big XII just to try and stabilize and maintain their status as a BCS AQ. Well, the Big East isn't seriously looking at Iowa State, so there's one Big XII team in worse shape than the Wildcats. That said, it is also rumored that if the Big East simply gobbles up the Big XII castoffs, they will lose their AQ status anyway.

Going back to my point about Kansas State's lack of national relevance, they don't add any appreciable bump in TV viewership, so even if they were winning again, they don't offer any added value to any BCS conference. It's all about money- TV money, and bringing in less than half of the Kansas population as fans and TV viewers, and having no national championships in anything, adding Kansas State adds nothing to a conference. In fact regardless of which conference would add Kansas State, and whatever revenue sharing formula was adopted, Kansas State would suck out more funds than they would add to the conference. In reality, Memphis, Appalachian State, UNLV and many other schools, FBS and FCS, could potentially bring more to a conference than Kansas State could. It doesn't matter if K-State is able to claim 50,000 fans at a game, in Big XII games many of them aren't K-State fans, and for those that are, many of them bought tickets at FCS prices.

Like I said, I really do feel sorry for the situation Kansas State is in, but if you strip away the conference affiliation that the Wildcats enjoy, they really aren't that much different than SIU, UNI, ISU-R and even Missouri State. It is what it is.

[Aargh]

The BEast "invites" are from a year ago. Things have changed.

There's a possibility ISU could move ahead of KSU in desirability for a BCS bid. ISU offers the Iowa market. KSU is redundant, since the Kansas market is assumed to be attached to KU.

Missouri would be a way better fit in the SEC than the BEast. Missouri is likely to explore every possibility before committing to the BEast.

If given a choice, KU will go with MU even if it means they have to part ways with KSU. MU has the FB power to get consideration in a number of conferences. KU has to be really unattractive to the SEC. A FB wimp and BB power would do nothing for that conference.

After the collapse of the B12, either the ACC or the BEast is next to go. The small-market schools (KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor) aren't out of the woods even if they suurvive this round of realignment.

[SubGod22]

K-State's only hope is to attach itself to KU. The BE may take KSU just to give KU and MU a closer conference foe. MU doesn't want to go to the SEC and really wants into the Big10. If the Big 10 decides to expand more, MU may get the invite they desire. If not, they'll end up in the BE. KSU doesn't belong in a BcS conference. We'll wait and see if they're lucky enough to tag along with KU.

[Ta town]

First off KU/KSU joining MVC is an absolute joke.

Secondly I don't see the big east as a safe harbor. I would imagine the ACC may get a couple picked from the SEC. Then Big 10 and ACC will pick several from big east. I think the 4 (16) league teams are going to be the PAC, BIG X, ACC, SEC.