Volleyball news from the nation

[dregn]

I don't really have an opinion either way. One way I see the changing of the length of the set to match international volleyball (and sand volleyball by coincidence) as a good idea to prepare them for the next level. On the other hand most won't play at the next level. Also it makes it the same as high school which I always viewed a college sport being more demanding then a high school one.

The change in substitutions is required if and only if they change the set length. Less length in set should mean you need less subs.

How is the carry call changing?

[SpanglerFan316]

Additionally, a new ball handling directive, which guides officials to be less severe when judging second team contacts, was proposed. The committee envisions that this directive will not only increase consistency in officiating calls, but also assist the growth of the game by no longer punishing extraordinary and highly athletic plays.

"There has been a demand for more consistency regarding the referees' ball handling decisions for several years across all divisions as well as regions of the country," said Kerry Carr, chair of the committee and head women's volleyball coach at the University of Pennsylvania. "I think the game will benefit from a decrease in the whistles that stop a rally due to a marginal infraction on ball handling, especially when there's been a great athletic attempt to keep the ball alive."

http://volleytalk.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1202244902&page=5

[SpanglerFan316]

Random comments from http://volleytalk.proboards88.com/in...2244902&page=1

If the NCAA is going to change a rule to align the college volleyball with the international teams format etc., why don't they do it all at once? Next are they going to decide that liberos can't serve and make another change in a few years?
It seems that the college game is just recently catching fire with national popularity and TV coverage. Why change it now and shorten it and give it less exposure? I don't get it.
Are they going to start with new records for 25 pt. "sets"? This is going to mess up more than it will "fix".
Will this new rule go into affect in the fall if it is passed on Feb. 27?


I think that's why there going to the 25 point game now....they can change that without changing anything else, other than subs, and not really effect recruiting.

as far as full on international rules...I would think the EARLIEST they would be able to do that, and remain fair to the coaches, would be 2014 season(6 seasons--figure two for the early commits, and 4 to clear out the rosters). Different types of players would be valued.....

Throw out all national, conference, and school records (both team and individual) if this is enacted. At a minimum, a 5 "set" match loses 20 points of play (15%), a 4 "set" match loses 20 points of play (17%), and a 3 "set" match loses 15 points of play (17%). It will have a tremendous adverse effect on DPG, KPG, BPG, assists, hell, all statistical categories (but will decrease service errors and service receive errors). Kind of a lousy thing to do to 2008 seniors who are on the verge of entering/enhancing any record books....


Question: If the score is tied at 2 sets each will all the remaining sets be to 15?


I really don't see what we gain by going to the 6 sub, one re-entry rule. I'd also be willing to bet the FIVB changes to more subs before the NCAA goes to the FIVB sub rules.

And you definitely put an end to the 6-2, unless both your setters can hit.

[dregn]

How does "be less severe" relate to more consistancy? If anything I'd think it would lead to more gray area...

[SubGod22]

How does "be less severe" relate to more consistancy? If anything I'd think it would lead to more gray area...

It would seem that way.

[The Mad Hatter]

How does "be less severe" relate to more consistancy? If anything I'd think it would lead to more gray area...

It would seem that way.

I disagree. There were times with double hit calls that the penalties called were so minor that theoretically they could have been called on almost any play. I especially noted that what a setter did on a normal set was less likely to be called a double hit than a non-setter making an athletic play out of system, even when they were very similar plays.

The way the call had been made by some officials, nearly every point would end in that penalty if it was called consistently, but in reality it would be randomly called after a dozen hits exactly like it that went uncalled.

[dregn]

Most officials call the double contact based on the spin of the ball. On a good set there should be very little to no spin. If the ball is spinning pretty good it's assumed for the most part to be a double hit. The other way to call it is by actually seeing the hands hit at seperate times or sound. I think that's going to be much more inconsistant then the way it's currently called. You take away something that's easy to see and asking officials to go by much more of a judgemental thing.

I do agree that it seems some officials almost automatically assume that if it's a non-setter setting the ball that they double hit it. I never did like that.

[lemuel777]

As far as the rule change of the score to 25 and name to set. I agree will be for the better of the sport. 30 is way too long especially getting in the 5th "set". Set sounds so much better than "game".

[1972Shocker]

Regardless of how you define a carry or instruct the officials to call it, their will always be variation from official to official on exactly how tight they are going to call double hits.

As far as consistency goes, you hope that the officials are consistent within a match and between the two teams within a particular match. The players seem to do a good job of adjusting.

My general feeling is that I think the carry calls in many of the games I have seen have been too "picky", however, I don't think these calls have in any way favored our opponents.

My preference is to see the game won or lost by the players on the court. Anytime you have an official that is very noticeable, regardless of the sport detracts from the enjoyment of the game.

Even with these changes I believe you will find that the best all-around teams will still win.

[SpanglerFan316]

http://www.avca.org/newsletter/2008ruleschanges.asp

2008 Volleyball Major Rules Changes
February 28, 2008

2008 Volleyball Major Rules Changes

The following rules-change proposals have been approved by the NCAA Women’s Volleyball Rules Committee and the Playing Rules Oversight Panel. The rule and page references are from the 2007 Women’s Volleyball Rules Book.

Also: http://volleytalk.proboards88.com/in...ead=1204234211

[dregn]

Hmmm, ball handling interpretations is interesting. It really seems to legalize the throw type of set that most refs don't call already anyways.

[dregn]

Based upon the posts here I sent in a question to the Sullentrop asking what Lamb thinks of the rule changes and got this reply:

"I will have to ask. I didn't know anything about it until your question. I like reducing the scoring from 30 to 25. I need to do some volleyball stuff after basketball winds down. Thanks for the question.
Paul Suellentrop 2/29/08"

http://www.realcities.com/mld/kansas/sports/colleges/wichita_state_university/qa_forum.html?forumId=635

[SpanglerFan316]

http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/032108aab.html

[WuDrWu]

I cannot believe someone gave this freak show a job, much less a Big10 school...


I'm sorry, I have to laugh at this and I have to think ISU is better off.


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