09-10 Roster and Recruiting

[Snapshot9]

By my count, we now have 13 schollies for the 09-10 season:

05 (Center) - Stutz/Durley
04 (PF) - Blair/Ellis/Hamilton
03 (SF) - Hawkins, Coy
02 (SG) - Murry, Hatch, Chamberlain, Kyles
01 (PG) - Hannah, Manigault

Did I forget anyone? (* amended to include Hatch)

note: Blair could play a little 5, and Hamilton is billed as a Power Forward in High School. Coy could eclipse Hawkins for starting later on in the season.

If we lose any players, I feel it would be Kyles, and possibly Chamberlain, but that is a big 'IF".

So, I look at it as 2 possibilities.

I think a true Shooting guard would be recruited to backup Murry. Orukpe should not get here until the 10-11 season.

edited at 10:55 pm

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Mr. Graham Hatch.

[t7017s]

I don't understand why everyone always forgets hatch. Well I take that back because I know why Cold always "forgets" Hatch. he just hates the kid and isn't afraid to let everyone know. But why does everyone else I wonder? It's not like he hasn't gotten plenty of attention or praise on this board so far this season for his effort and contributions.

[SpanglerFan316]

Kyles has such athletic potential that I would hate to lose him. Does anyone think this is likely?

[t7017s]

Not unless he chooses to leave for his own reasons.

[pinstripers]

I would assume that next year KJ and Hannah will divide PG duties (with Murry as an emergency third). That would leave Kyles and Chamberlain to fight for backup 2G minutes (with Hatch as an emergency third). I do not see the loser of that backup 2G battle staying around, but who knows?

[shocker22]

I think Chamberlain will really improve as a PG and still get the minutes off of the bench at as the BU PG. KJ will only be a freshman and learning a new offense while adjusting to a new game speed.

[wufan]

IMO the roster per the players best position is as follows:

C: Stutz
PF: Blair, Durley, Ellis, Coy, Hamilton
SF: Hawkins
SG: Murry, Hatch, Chamberlain, Kyles
PG: Hannah, Manigault

No issues with one of the many PF playing center, or even alot of center.

I believe we have some SG that can play PG if needed, no issues there.

SF???
Hawkins IS a SF.

Blair, Ellis, and Coy have all been alleged to be able to play SF, but I have my doubts. Ellis is not quick enough at this point in his career. I have no idea about Blair except that he was upset that he was playing center at his former school and views himself to be a combo forward - maybe, maybe not. Coy is listed as a SF, but his AAU coach, LJ Goolsby, stated that he is a good PF with guard skills. I wonder if he will have the same defensive problem as Ellis?

Chamberlain is not big enough. Kyles has the skills to be a SF, but is not overly tall and thus far he does not understand the Defense well enough to get minutes. Hatch has the size and skills, but not the athleticism. He CAN play SF if neede, but he is a roll player and not someone to be counted on. Murry, on the other hand, has the height, athleticism, and skills to be an excellent MVC SF. He only needs to bulk up. I see him as a strong candidate to start at the SF in the next two years.

So, "Big or not so big?" I would absolutely LOVE to see us put three true forwards (or two forwards and a center) on the floor together! Next year we will have the athleticism and the bodies to make this work. Experience, though tells me that we will run a three guard offense and there will be one or two very disappointed power forwards that fail at small forward or are "relegated" to back-up minutes and mop up duty as the 4.

Here's my projection for the rotation next year:

Starters:

Hannah - 24 mpg
Murry - 29 mpg
Hawkins - 22 mpg
Blair - 23 mpg
Durley - 18 mpg

Second string:

Manigault - 16 mpg
Stutz - 18 mpg

Fighting for the last available 50 minutes at guard or forward:

Coy, Ellis, Kyles, Chamberlain, Hatch

Red-Shirt:
Hamilton

I think we have five pretty good players scrapping for the last two spots! That also makes me think that one or two of them are gone this year or next.

[vancedave56]

I believe Hatch actually spends quite a bit of time at SF backing up Hawkins this season.

[shockmonster]

I don't like Chamberlain with the ball in his hands because he is small and not quick. The defense pushes him out of putting the offense in play(far away from the basket). However, he is the as good as anyone as a spot up shooter from the outside. He has a role but it will be limited by his skills.

[SpanglerFan316]

Kyles has the skills to be a SF, but is not overly tall and thus far he does not understand the Defense well enough to get minutes.

What are you smoking? :D
Kyles is 6'3" - how tall should a guard be? 6'6" like http://goredbirds.cstv.com/sports/m-...i_champ00.html?
Hatch is 6'4" - Hatch is tall enough for SF but Kyles isn't? One inch makes that much difference?
14 Hatch, Graham G 6-4 204 So.
22 Chamberlain, Reggie G 6-0 168 So.
24 Kyles, David G 6-3 179 Fr.

We could argue about weight and strength but Kyles' athletic ability more than makes up for the inch in height he gives up to Hatch. Height is a losing argument.

Just to be clear, I like Hatch and think he deserves more PT at SF because he is smart, has learned to drive, plays good defense, should be a good outside shooter, etc. Kyles could be a good 2 or 3 if he learns the game better. Chamberlain disappoints me. Counting on freshmen who have not played D1 basketball is an error in my book.

[tropicalshox]

Unless there are grade problems or somebody leaves on his own accord, I expect all returners to be back next year. Everybody has shown enough for Marshall to want them.

[shockmonster]

Kyles played excellent defense tonight and didn't hurt them on offense. His athletic ability is really special on defense when he works at it.

[1979Shocker]

I think Ellis will be in the first or second string.

[wufan]

Kyles has the skills to be a SF, but is not overly tall and thus far he does not understand the Defense well enough to get minutes.

What are you smoking? :D
Kyles is 6'3" - how tall should a guard be? 6'6" like http://goredbirds.cstv.com/sports/m-...i_champ00.html?
Hatch is 6'4" - Hatch is tall enough for SF but Kyles isn't? One inch makes that much difference?
14 Hatch, Graham G 6-4 204 So.
22 Chamberlain, Reggie G 6-0 168 So.
24 Kyles, David G 6-3 179 Fr.

We could argue about weight and strength but Kyles' athletic ability more than makes up for the inch in height he gives up to Hatch. Height is a losing argument.

Just to be clear, I like Hatch and think he deserves more PT at SF because he is smart, has learned to drive, plays good defense, should be a good outside shooter, etc. Kyles could be a good 2 or 3 if he learns the game better. Chamberlain disappoints me. Counting on freshmen who have not played D1 basketball is an error in my book.

What I posted is the way I see it. I was thinking that Kyles was 6-2, but either way, 6-3 is not "overly tall" for a SF as I stated above. Kyles athleticism does make him a possiblity at the 3 in the future, but he is more of an ideal SG, assuming he can actually shoot, IMO. I did list KJ as a minute getter based on reputation and Chamberlain's disappointing PG play thus far. That may indeed be a mistake. When I posted above I originally had Ellis as a reserve, but changed my mind. At that point he had exactly one good game. If he continues to play well he will certainly solidify his role as a starter or important sub.

The main point of my post is that I am worried that we will not have depth at the SF and that we are overloaded at PF. If one of the forwards can't play the wing, then there may not enough minutes to go around for Blair, Durley, Ellis, Stutz, Coy, and Hamilton, espescially when considering there will be three junior PF.