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  • How To Retain Athletes - Can WSU Do It?

    RH: Retention Starts With Building Support

    "You have to coach the person first. We need connectors. We need leaders of people. Relational folks that can have the hard conversations and do it in such a way where it is a family atmosphere and it's genuine."


    As parts of college athletics evolve into a more transitory and transactional environment, Kevin Saal is working to make Wichita State the kind of place where staying is the most attractive option.

    That starts with relationships and coaches whom student-athletes want to practice for, learn from and play for – even when things get tough. The transfer portal, graduate transfers and name, image and likeness compensation significantly change the jobs of coaches and administrators.

    Relationships are one way to counter those changes and put the Shockers in the best position possible in all sports.

    "We've got to have some joy and fun in what we're doing," Saal said. "Our industry has changed. The style of coaching that may have been acceptable or the norm 30 years ago isn't necessarily that style now."

    The incentive for a student to stay in a place they merely tolerate is significantly less in the current NCAA.

    Consider the softball pitching transitions at Oklahoma – where the NCAA champion's best pitcher transferred to Nebraska - and Oklahoma State – where its top pitcher transferred to OU - over the summer. No matter how strong a program, there will always be a school offering something new, a fresh start, playing time, shinier things, proximity to home or promises of money.

    Saal wants coaches who can deliver constructive criticism and leave the interaction with the relationship strengthened.

    "The student-athlete walks away knowing the coach has their best interests at heart, knowing that coach cares for them at a genuine and authentic level," Saal said. "You have to coach the person first. We need connectors. We need leaders of people. Relational folks that can have the hard conversations and do it in such a way where it is a family atmosphere and it's genuine."

    As Saal emphasized, it's not just coaches. Wichita State is improving the support system for its athletes in the weight rooms and training facilities. Most prominently, the athletic department will have two staff members dedicated to mental health for WSU's 250 athletes. One – mental health counselor Mallie Hall – is on board. The search for a Ph.D.-level staff member is nearing its conclusion.

    "It's part of creating a student-athlete experience that our student-athletes don't want to leave," Saal said. "We've got to figure out a way to be available for our student-athletes from 8 am.-8 p.m. and to be able to meet them where they are. That's difficult to do with one person."


    A worthy endeavor but not sure it can overcome the lure of NIL money and the grass is greener on the other side mentality many young folks naturally hold. We will see.

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    I'm still not sure why colleges don't require a 2,3 or 4 yr contracts to be negotiated and signed by athletic scholarship recipients. Seems to be a simple solution to the problem.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post
      I'm still not sure why colleges don't require a 2,3 or 4 yr contracts to be negotiated and signed by athletic scholarship recipients. Seems to be a simple solution to the problem.
      Seriously. If you're going to allow this free transfer stuff, you should be able to require a commitment from the scholarship recipient.
      "In God we trust, all others must bring data." - W. Edwards Deming

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      • #4
        But why would a school begin doing this if others don't follow along? As an athlete, it wouldn't be in their best interest to limit their options by voluntarily signing a multi-year agreement when they can just go to a different school who won't ask them to do that.

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        • #5
          I think there will always be some transfers, but a successful coaching staff will make sure the key players are retained.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
            But why would a school begin doing this if others don't follow along? As an athlete, it wouldn't be in their best interest to limit their options by voluntarily signing a multi-year agreement when they can just go to a different school who won't ask them to do that.
            Let’s say Arkansas offers a $100K NIL. You could offer a $350k NIL for four years that requires you to pay it back if you transfer.

            Or, they could make a rule for the betterment of the sport and the players.
            Livin the dream

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            • #7
              I still think if the NCAA allowed the transfer to be eligible to play immediately but if they want to be eligible immediately the athlete losses a year of eligibility. If you are a grad transfer the rule wouldn’t apply. If the player is a junior they can’t be eligible immediately. If they do not want to be eligible immediately they could redshirt and retain their eligibility like it used to be. If the NCAA would change the rules to something like this I think the transfer portal would really slow down…

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              • #8
                I would like to see the "new" school be forced to reimburse the "old" school for something. Certainly in the case of redshirt transfers (a guy goes to Middle State out of high school, redshirts, has a good freshman year, then a great sophomore year and leaves for Asshole U) where the old team got nothing for the first year but all the cost.

                And it should be substantial, not just "cost of attendance". Maybe cost of attendance times 3-5.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
                  I would like to see the "new" school be forced to reimburse the "old" school for something. Certainly in the case of redshirt transfers (a guy goes to Middle State out of high school, redshirts, has a good freshman year, then a great sophomore year and leaves for Asshole U) where the old team got nothing for the first year but all the cost.

                  And it should be substantial, not just "cost of attendance". Maybe cost of attendance times 3-5.
                  This is a good and just idea! Of course, it will never happen sense the Asshole U's are running things.

                  In this perfect world how would you handle the 4 star that goes to Asshole U, doesn't play enough and transfers to Middle State?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Topshock View Post

                    This is a good and just idea! Of course, it will never happen sense the Asshole U's are running things.

                    In this perfect world how would you handle the 4 star that goes to Asshole U, doesn't play enough and transfers to Middle State?
                    Once again, contracts with buy out terms could be established, which would solve all of this.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Atxshoxfan View Post

                      Once again, contracts with buy out terms could be established, which would solve all of this.
                      Yes that absolutely would work, but how would you ever convince someone to sign one in this climate?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Topshock View Post

                        Yes that absolutely would work, but how would you ever convince someone to sign one in this climate?
                        The same way you make anyone sign a contract .. there is enough positive incentive on their side to do so.

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                        • #13
                          Does anybody think coaches would want to get rid of the option of cutting players they recruited who didn't work out?
                          The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                          We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aargh View Post
                            Does anybody think coaches would want to get rid of the option of cutting players they recruited who didn't work out?
                            Buyout clause lol. We are paying 3 coaches to not coach right now .. why not pay 20 players to not play!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

                              Buyout clause lol. We are paying 3 coaches to not coach right now .. why not pay 20 players to not play!
                              I would definitely not hire you to negotiate anything on my behalf after this statement.

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