$5 million to bring back football at WSU!

[SubGod22]

To get it to about 50/50, WSU would have to add Womens Soccer (12), Rowing (20) and Swimming/Lacrosse/Field Hockey (12). That would put them a little over 50%. Then if we ever wanted to go FBS we'd have to add about 20 more ships to keep that ratio.

[Kung Wu]

Soccer would be automatic. We already have the facilities. The equipment costs are near zero. Coaches don't make squat for money. The cost per athlete is just so extremely low that it's automatic, and it easily gives you an additional 20 athletes.

Lacrosse, is pretty close to the same camp (the equipment costs are higher).

Those two sports alone probably satisfy the Title IX argument, probably making it moot.

I think it goes by scholarships and not head count. Soccer and Lacrosse only add 24 'ships combined. You're going to need a lot more than just those 24 to make up for the 63 for football.

I think it's 26. 12 for soccer, and 14 for Lacrosse -- but we already have +22 available (according to TT). That gets us to 48.

There is no hard ratio for enrollment, that's one option to pursue. There are many other arguments you can also make. One question would be, since WSU is pretty non-traditional -- how would the ratio look if you look only at traditional students?

[Ta town]

Here, pick and choose people, just remember 6 men and 8 women min for FCS and 14 total, whereas FBS I believe is 16 total but not sure on the min for mens sports.

http://www.speeddevelopment.net/NCAA_College_Scholarship_Rules_and_Limits_-_CollegeAthletes.com.pdf

Highest count woman sport to add is rowing by far with 20. Next in line is some horse sport with 15 (can't believe cost there is cheap). After that is Swimming at 14. I did a quick search on Rowing and cost. Apparently it is rather cheap as all teams really have is access to a boat house and water. Obviously WSU already has that as they have a club rowing team. The main cost would be traveling as looks like most teams exist on coast, although I would imagine that could be said for lacrose and field hockey as well. I would imagine with rowing being a multi team meet type sport that required amount of trips taken to complete a schedule is less, but that is me talking out my rear end, who knows.

So for 34 of the needed scholarships WSU wouldn't need any new facilities (rowing, swimming).

[Ta town]

I think it's 26. 12 for soccer, and 14 for Lacrosse -- but we already have +22 available (according to TT). That gets us to 48.

Just remember that +22 is assuming WSU gives max amount in sports that don't require the max.

my +22 is assuming full amount for each sport allowed by ncaa is given by WSU.

volley ball 12, basketball 15, softball 12, tennis 8, cc/track 18, golf 6, for a total of 68

baketball 13, baseball 11.7, golf 3.6, cc/track 12.6, tennis 4.5 for a total of 45.4

68-45.4 = 22.6

so +22

Edit: I just went back and checked off each similar sport and then added the 12 for volleyball and now I'm actually getting 26.7. Somebody needs to count this as well.

Basketball +2, softball/baseball +.3, Tennis +3.5, Golf +3.5, track/cc +5.4, then add 12 for volleyball.

thats how I get +26.7

so +26

[Kung Wu]

Nice breakdown! Sub was right 12 for Lacrosse. So it's 26 available already (assuming you are right) plus 24 for the cheap sports (soccer plus lacrosse), that's 50 already. I am thinking with a little research it could be argued that's close enough -- but even if not, adding rowing makes it happen.

[dregn]

Heskett is a 25 x 25 pool, think college swimming requires a 25 x 50, also polo requires a deep pool and the heskett pool is not deep enough over a big enough area

[RoyalShock]

Here's an interesting tweet, FWIW.

http://twitter.com/#!/CTSooner/status/109096159276040192

@CTSooner
Pete Johnsen
Rumblings Wichita State University may revive football program if Big XII takes a former SWC team. @Wichita @shockers

Could just be sarcasm. The guy appears to be plugged in and says aTm is also talking to the Pac-12.

[SubGod22]

Here's an interesting tweet, FWIW.

http://twitter.com/#!/CTSooner/status/109096159276040192

@CTSooner
Pete Johnsen
Rumblings Wichita State University may revive football program if Big XII takes a former SWC team. @Wichita @shockers

Could just be sarcasm. The guy appears to be plugged in and says aTm is also talking to the Pac-12.

I'd love for that to be true. If we were guaranteed to join a conference like the Big 12 football would be easier to start. People would know what's coming and we'd eventually be guaranteed home games that would fill the stadium. Games against KU, KSU, 0U and Texas would for sure. But I'll believe it when I see it.

aTm talking to the Pac ?? is a smart move just in case the SEC doesn't act or can't find another member to join.

[Ta town]

Heskett is a 25 x 25 pool, think college swimming requires a 25 x 50, also polo requires a deep pool and the heskett pool is not deep enough over a big enough area

25 x 25 yards or meters?

From what I can tell 75' by 60' will get the job done for short course swimming per the ncaa pool dimension rules. Now I'm not familiar with swimming so I don't know if some teams only have a short course pool or if you have to have the long course pool as well.

Polo is a stretch anyways as I doubt many schools in the area have a team. Swimming though seems like one of the cheaper options and could mean up to 14 schollies.

[dregn]

Heskett is a meters pool, so it would be okay for short course apparently. No idea if only that is allowed. I've been to Ohio University's aquatic center as they sponser swimming. They have a 25 x 50 m pool plus a much bigger diving well than the Heskett. I actually thought it was a really nice facility that they have open to the public for a fee. Their on campus gym doesn't have a pool.

[Ta town]

I don't know if it will ever go anywhere but at least it appears the WSU SGA is looking into football. Last year they had the survey and here are some very interesting minutes from this falls last 3 meetings, which can be found here:

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=SGA&p=/PublicInformation/Minutes/

Below I've listed quotes from the last 3 SGA meetings respectively.

A. MatthewOnstott,PresidentoftheAssociation
-Advised of the progress with football and parking and advised of upcoming meetings regarding the same.

A. MatthewOnstott,PresidentoftheAssociation
-Advised of a meeting with Athletic Director Eric Sexton regarding football.

A. MatthewOnstott,PresidentoftheAssociation
-Discussed information obtained from Eric Sexton regarding football.

[shock49]

For those who would like to see football back at WSU,Call your state rep and senator.Tell them you don't want KU grads on the comittee to select the next WSU president!

[WstateU]

For those who would like to see football back at WSU,Call your state rep and senator.Tell them you don't want KU grads on the comittee to select the next WSU president!

[tw_fatcat]

Wichita State can bring this back. The students have to get behind it though. When I first started school at Texas State, athletics overall were not a priority at the school.

ASG stepped in and made them a priority and did a great job of promoting an initiative that overwhelmingly had the students vote in raising athletic fees to the maximum $20 per credit hour. Our athletic budget was sitting at 12mil before this and starting next year will still only be at 25 mil.

We are operating with a slight profit at this point (even with terribly low turnout for basketball). Since this vote we have built a track and field "stadium", new baseball stadium and are in the process of bringing up the capacity to our football stadium for our move to the WAC next year.

In no way shape or form does Texas State have as deep of pockets as Wichita State and it's donors. The Students are the ones who have the power as proven by Texas State ASG. The pressure needs to be put on the powers that be and a real grassroots effort needs to happen within the student body. Not sure what campus life is like at Wichita State at this point but I believe it's possible.

I was very young when I went to my last WSU football game and I still remember it to this day. I would be beyond elated if Wichita State found a way to make this happen. I (even a Texas State alum) would find a way to make it to Wichita to see that first game.

P.S. I hope to see some of you come down to San Marcos this spring as we have finally scheduled one another in baseball. I purposely devised a trip to make sure my wife and I would fly in from Australia to be there. She just doesn't realize that is the real reason we are going.

:wsu_posters:

New addition:

Also, someone needs to tell Suellentrop that schools have dropped football and brought it back. LAMAR, yes LAMAR university out of Beaumont Texas in the Southland Conference. Lamar? Seriously, Lamar. I have to keep repeating that because Lamar has an absolutely terrible athletic program with no money and found a way.

What he is stating as fact is pretty off base. First, he says that it needs to start in the President's office. This is absolutely not true. It needs to start within the student body. They have the power and need to learn how to use it if this is something they want.

Secondly you do not have have 100 players on scholarship, as no school in the country has that many, it's illegal. FBS has a limit of 85, but lets be realistic here and understand that WSU would most likely come out of the gates and go FCS. Now, you have a 63 scholarship limit. Unlike FBS, FCS does not require those scholarships to be full rides either. Div II (I know) only gives out 35 scholarships.

We have 13 coaches/trainers on staff and Franchione is the highest paid at 350,000 and that is considered extremely large at the FCS leve. Most coaches are making in the 125 to 150,000 range.

[ShockTalk]

Thanks for your input, tw!