Is Wessel a redshirt guy next year?

[FacultyHub]

What the heck was I thinking when I responded to the comparison of a 6'5" point guard and a 6'3" small forward by observing that those basketball profiles are rather a contrast?

My bad. I forgot for just a fleeting moment what the primary ShockerNet audience is made up of. "Aargh. Me see 6'5" white guy. Me will say he is hard-nosed, tough, with high IQ. Me see black guy. Me will say he is athletic and undisciplined. Me not show racial bias in my remarks."

Having watched Wessel live and on film for six years, I am in no position to offer any observations on his style and quality of play. And certainly not critique the towering intellects of Aargh and Sub, the truly righteous fellow. And I apologize for only making 4 posts in 2+ years. You see, I have a life.

The guys who say they have never seen Wessel play should clearly carry this conversation forward.

I'm out.

[SubGod22]

I know many people who HAVE seen him play in the officiating community as well as a few coaches I know. Most everybody has projected Wessel to play the 2 or the 3 at WSU so the comparison of a 6'5" 2/3 and a 6'4" 2/3 are pretty fair. Also considering everybody has said Wessel is more of an athlete than Hatch. But the comparison about them both being tough, hard nosed players has come from everyone, including 3G. Are you saying all of us, including 3G are somehow racists because Hatch and Wessel share a work ethic?

You're sounding more and more like the type of person who looks for conflict in everything because they want a fight or to feel they've been slighted in some way. And for the record, both black and white people do that. I figured I better put that so you don't try to spin it again.

It annoys me when people want to bring race into an issue that it has no place in. It happens far too much in our society.

[Maggie]

What gives?

Me no like.

Me no understand.

Anyone?

Projection?

[RoyalShock]

FH, no one is criticizing your evaluation of Wessell's game, but did take exception to your allegation of cliche'd simple-mindedness and use of "racial". The latter may not have been meant as it was taken and we had some fun with it anyway.

But I do know college-educated folks don't much care to be called simple-minded.

That said, I really do appreciate your evaluation of Wessell. That's more educated opinion than we've had of him thus far.

[ShockTalk]

What the heck was I thinking when I responded to the comparison of a 6'5" point guard and a 6'3" small forward by observing that those basketball profiles are rather a contrast?

My bad. I forgot for just a fleeting moment what the primary ShockerNet audience is made up of. "Aargh. Me see 6'5" white guy. Me will say he is hard-nosed, tough, with high IQ. Me see black guy. Me will say he is athletic and undisciplined. Me not show racial bias in my remarks."

Having watched Wessel live and on film for six years, I am in no position to offer any observations on his style and quality of play. And certainly not critique the towering intellects of Aargh and Sub, the truly righteous fellow. And I apologize for only making 4 posts in 2+ years. You see, I have a life.

The guys who say they have never seen Wessel play should clearly carry this conversation forward.

I'm out.

What the heck indeed. In your previous post, instead of coming on here giving us some of your back ground, first hand knowledge of Wessel, and useful information, you go on the attack and start throwing the first, second and third stone. Play a racial card that had no business being played. Then you top it off with this post after others have made a little fun of your unusual approach and play the racial card again. I assume you believe Wessel not to be hard-nosed, tough with a high basketball IQ since you see no comparison between he and Hatch?

Frankly, I wish you had a different life so you wouldn't have come here at all.

[1972Shocker]

FacultyHub, let me ask you this.

Since the Shockers are essentially starting a 6'5" point guard right now how would you compare Evan's game to what we see from Toure' at the point.

I take it from your comments that you believe he should play the point in college.

Thanks.

I'm not sure exactly what 3G has in mind for Evan but I'm wondering if he doesn't see him as a versatile combo being able to contribute at the 1, 2 or 3 depending on our match ups, foul trouble, game situation, etc.

[SubGod22]

And for the record, I really hope he is able to play the point here. At least some. I'd love to have a point with that size. Most don't think it'll happen and I haven't heard 3G say one way or the other on it. Until I hear something from those who've seen him that I know, or I'm able to catch him again, I'm sticking with the 2/3 type of player.

And who knew someone would find offense in a player being called tough, hard nosed, and has a good work ethic as well as athletic....... :roll:

[The Mad Hatter]

FacultyHub, let me ask you this.

Since the Shockers are essentially starting a 6'5" point guard right now how would you compare Evan's game to what we see from Toure' at the point.

I take it from your comments that you believe he should play the point in college.

Thanks.

I'm not sure exactly what 3G has in mind for Evan but I'm wondering if he doesn't see him as a versatile combo being able to contribute at the 1, 2 or 3 depending on our match ups, foul trouble, game situation, etc.

I have to say, the comparison to Toure' is an interesting one. I haven't seen enough of Evan to say anything definitively, but everything I have heard suggests that, like Toure', he is a big guard who can play multiple positions and have the ability to contribute across the entire stat sheet.

I may well be that Evan gets moved around a bit in Marshall's system according to who emerges at specific positions, much as Toure' has.

[Maggie]

Who knows whether it will be in WSU’s and Wessel’s best interests to have him redshirt next year.

For what it is worth, from what I have been told, WSU should be very pleased this kid signed. I have been advised he is intelligent, has solid handles, good court vision, and he is a long athletic player. He is probably an average outside shooter. He has the physical attributes to fit perfectly into CGM’s system.

The question is: What position does he play? It is my understanding that he will have to work on his speed/quickness if he expects to compete for playing time at PG at WSU. Can he do it? My “sources” seem to think so; but it will take some time. And from what I know – I agree. If he can improve his quickness a little and learn to use his length to his advantage there is no reason why he can’t run the point and defend.

Regardless, at this point in time I feel very comfortable writing that this kid is going to be valuable player for WSU in the future. He was a good sign by CGM.

And Wessel would be a more "natural" PG than Murry.

[1972Shocker]

And Wessel would be a more "natural" PG than Murry.

You would think so since Evan has actually played a lot of point.

It's my understanding that Toure has played very little point in his career. Considering Toure's actual playing experience I think he has handled his time at the point pretty well. However, I would still rather have a true point guard and move Toure back to his more natural position at the 2.

[Maggie]

And Wessel would be a more "natural" PG than Murry.

You would think so since Evan has actually played a lot of point.

It's my understanding that Toure has played very little point in his career. Considering Toure's actual playing experience I think he has handled his time at the point pretty well. However, I would still rather have a true point guard and move Toure back to his more natural position at the 2.

I agree, PG is obviously the position that Wessel is most familiar with right now – which is, in part, why I don’t think a comparison to Murry is particularly compelling. For what it is worth, I don’t think the comparison to Hatch, beyond the work ethic part, is apt either – you could play the same game with Ellis/Wessel. Hatch is a better shooter and has better defensive fundamentals (and Hatch has the advantage of being a few years older) – right now. Wessel is a superior athlete, has better handles and better court vision – right now.

I would like to see Wessel go after the PG position but I am told he probably has miles to go if he expects to play at the D-1 level. However, he apparently has the work ethic and talent to make it happen.

Give this kid a few years and he will turn out alright (which may or may not end up being an understatement).

[Shocker Rocker]

Apart from race, people on this thread have seen reasons to compare Wessel and Hatch (work ethic, height, etc.) and reasons to contrast them (point guard skills, etc.). But might race not be a factor too? I'm not saying it is or isn't in this particular case. I honestly don't know.

On a more general societal level, at least some people see issues of race involved in almost every social interaction. At least some other people see it involved in almost none of them (and complain when the former group play the "race card"). My question is: If someone were to do an empirical study of all of the comparisons that people (not just those involved with ShockerNet or in this thread) make between up-and-coming and already established players on both internet fan sites and in broadcast booths (and in newspapers as well), I wonder what you would you find. Would you find that American basketball fans generally compare people with those of like races? How strong (or weak) would the tendency be, if it showed up at all? In some ways we are a much more color-blind society than at any other point in our nation's history, but in other ways racism may still with us in more subtle ways. I'm not saying that this is one of them, but it would be interesting to see if it actually is on a society-wide basis.

[1972Shocker]

Apart from race, people on this thread have seen reasons to compare Wessel and Hatch (work ethic, height, etc.) and reasons to contrast them (point guard skills, etc.). But might race not be a factor too? I'm not saying it is or isn't in this particular case. I honestly don't know.

On a more general societal level, at least some people see issues of race involved in almost every social interaction. At least some other people see it involved in almost none of them (and complain when the former group play the "race card"). My question is: If someone were to do an empirical study of all of the comparisons that people (not just those involved with ShockerNet or in this thread) make between up-and-coming and already established players on both internet fan sites and in broadcast booths (and in newspapers as well), I wonder what you would you find. Would you find that American basketball fans generally compare people with those of like races? How strong (or weak) would the tendency be, if it showed up at all? In some ways we are a much more color-blind society than at any other point in our nation's history, but in other ways racism may still with us in more subtle ways. I'm not saying that this is one of them, but it would be interesting to see if it actually is on a society-wide basis.

A discussion that probably belongs in the off-topic forum.

Thanks.

[Shocker Rocker]

Apart from race, people on this thread have seen reasons to compare Wessel and Hatch (work ethic, height, etc.) and reasons to contrast them (point guard skills, etc.). But might race not be a factor too? I'm not saying it is or isn't in this particular case. I honestly don't know.

On a more general societal level, at least some people see issues of race involved in almost every social interaction. At least some other people see it involved in almost none of them (and complain when the former group play the "race card"). My question is: If someone were to do an empirical study of all of the comparisons that people (not just those involved with ShockerNet or in this thread) make between up-and-coming and already established players on both internet fan sites and in broadcast booths (and in newspapers as well), I wonder what you would you find. Would you find that American basketball fans generally compare people with those of like races? How strong (or weak) would the tendency be, if it showed up at all? In some ways we are a much more color-blind society than at any other point in our nation's history, but in other ways racism may still with us in more subtle ways. I'm not saying that this is one of them, but it would be interesting to see if it actually is on a society-wide basis.

A discussion that probably belongs in the off-topic forum.

Thanks.

Sounds good. I'll move it over there in case anyone has any thoughts on the matter.

[1972Shocker]

Sounds good. I'll move it over there in case anyone has any thoughts on the matter.

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