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  • Long winded lament

    The recent Shockernet implosion reminds me of how torn I am about some of the criticism of university officials, coaching staff, and most importantly players.

    I am torn because constructive and/or civil criticism is an excellent thing, but sometimes posters in these threads go way past constructive and/or civil debate. Some posts are downright mean spirited.

    When most of us played college ball moons ago we certainly knew if we played bad in a specific game. And we undoubtedly knew if we were "in a slump", playing consecutive bad games. Nearly every player goes through it -- and our coaches were certainly never shy about pointing it out to us. We also heard the grumbles from the sidelines from our crowd when things went wrong.

    However, it seemed in those days that most people would try to be a positive influence and help you out of your funk by encouraging you "to practice harder", or "stay focused", or "don't try and force the game to come to you".

    I feel like it's a different era now. More people are prone to complain and gripe ad nauseam now instead of trying to focus on the positives. What's hard to swallow is that it has become a witch hunt mentality out there. One person starts complaining about something and it can often snowball into a complete, if ridiculous, meltdown.

    I am guilty. I complained recently about the half time shows. Does it really matter what goes on at half time, relative to rooting on my beloved Shocks? No! Do I have a right to complain, because I paid good money for my season tickets? Yes! But that doesn't make it right. I at least tried to keep it constructive by soliciting ideas to improve -- but then fed the stupid-fire by laughing, agreeing, or egging-on about the dance squad. I also complained about a very popular local coach intentionally drawing a technical in an exhibition match, possibly endangering our squad.

    We all have opinions and they certainly aren't (even shouldn't) be positive all the time. I definitely get that. Ironically, I'm complaining about over-the-top negative posts right now.

    But here is the very worst part about the uncivil criticism, debating, and complaining: It's all in writing now. It's permanent, it's pervasive, and it's public. Gone are the days of just wanting your team to play better and debating about it at the water cooler.

    Now the players don't just hear from their coaches, family and friends when they are dogging it. They get to go online and read very public and highly read, over-the-top criticism about themselves, knowing their peers and family members get to read the same comments. And worse is that much of the time the incendiary comments are just nonsense, but you can't defend yourself.

    I wouldn't be motivated to play better by that. As a matter of fact if I was a university official, coach, staff, or player; I wouldn't waste my time on it at all. And that's a shame, because there are interesting discussions, civil debates, and would-be feedback that IS worth reading.

    I think I'm glad I played in a different era.
    Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

  • #2
    Great post. I've learned that when one of my teams plays bad in a game, I usually wait till the next day to post. My posts aren't near as over the top, that way. Anyone posting here on a regular basis is obviously an avid Shocker fan and as such becomes very excited and is prone at times to overreacting to bad play or a loss, so I also try not to overreact to someone else overreacting. Sometimes I'm more successful than others. LOL.

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    • #3
      Care to cite some examples?

      First of all, if our players/coaches are wasting their time here, we are in a more worse position than I thought.

      If they do read it however, and if they do get rattled by some constructive criticism, then we are in a WAY worse position than previously thought.
      Deuces Valley.
      ... No really, deuces.
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      • #4
        I imagine the coaches have someone who watches the boards for things like posting pictures and reports from closed practices. I expect players would learn pretty quickly that it's better to listen to the coaches than to the fans.

        I'm concerned about family of the players. It's not been uncommon to have players family members posting here. I'd think it would almost be natural for family members to want to check out how their son, brother, sister, daughter was doing in their sport.

        Anonymity allows people to say some things they don't have to face personally. If it's negative toward a player, that doesn't help the feelings of the mother, father, brother, sister, or grandparent of that player who reads them.

        If a player is good enough to get a scholarship at WSU, then that player is good enough to earn my support.
        The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
        We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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        • #5
          Maybe I'm underestimating the Shockernet as a source of reliable information but it seems like families of the players would just check the city newspaper or call or text or email their kid rather than log in and follow the "enlightened" discussions we have here. But then I forget that Argh has a direct line to Coach Marshall, so maybe we are as good a source as any.

          Does anyone really think the players check this site? They have a lot of things going on in their lives like school, basketball, girls, video games, facebook. I'd be surprised if they check this site and if they do I doubt they thouroughly dissect each thread like a guy like me who has nothing better to do. It only takes reading a couple of posts on one thread to realize that, while it's a fun place to be, Shockernet isn't exactly the most sane or reliable source.

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          • #6
            Frankly I think you all are full of yourselves if you think shockernet has any influence on anything.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SB Shock
              Frankly I think you all are full of yourselves if you think shockernet has any influence on anything.
              I have a hard enough time influencing myself most of the time. Hey, I'm just a knucklehead trying to make sense out of the cruel world of being a Shocker fan. Seriously, just for the record, even the posters I seem to butt heads against along with the ones I haven't yet...you guys/gals are great and I would gladly buy each one of you an adult beverage (but please, not all at one time...the economy is bad you know).

              :wsu_posters:

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              • #8
                Make mine a shot of Don Julio 1942.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GarH
                  Make mine a shot of Don Julio 1942.
                  Only if you order it with the accent & everything.

                  :D

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SHOXMVC
                    Originally posted by SB Shock
                    Frankly I think you all are full of yourselves if you think shockernet has any influence on anything.
                    I have a hard enough time influencing myself most of the time. Hey, I'm just a knucklehead trying to make sense out of the cruel world of being a Shocker fan. Seriously, just for the record, even the posters I seem to butt heads against along with the ones I haven't yet...you guys/gals are great and I would gladly buy each one of you an adult beverage (but please, not all at one time...the economy is bad you know).

                    :wsu_posters:
                    Hey, I guess you will have your chance at the IBA. :yes:

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SB Shock
                      Originally posted by SHOXMVC
                      Originally posted by SB Shock
                      Frankly I think you all are full of yourselves if you think shockernet has any influence on anything.
                      I have a hard enough time influencing myself most of the time. Hey, I'm just a knucklehead trying to make sense out of the cruel world of being a Shocker fan. Seriously, just for the record, even the posters I seem to butt heads against along with the ones I haven't yet...you guys/gals are great and I would gladly buy each one of you an adult beverage (but please, not all at one time...the economy is bad you know).

                      :wsu_posters:
                      Hey, I guess you will have your chance at the IBA. :yes:
                      Yea...I'll be the one with the bloody nose at the top of the arena. It's been along time since I have seen a basketball game through the binoc's.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SHOXMVC
                        Originally posted by SB Shock
                        Originally posted by SHOXMVC
                        Originally posted by SB Shock
                        Frankly I think you all are full of yourselves if you think shockernet has any influence on anything.
                        I have a hard enough time influencing myself most of the time. Hey, I'm just a knucklehead trying to make sense out of the cruel world of being a Shocker fan. Seriously, just for the record, even the posters I seem to butt heads against along with the ones I haven't yet...you guys/gals are great and I would gladly buy each one of you an adult beverage (but please, not all at one time...the economy is bad you know).

                        :wsu_posters:
                        Hey, I guess you will have your chance at the IBA. :yes:
                        Yea...I'll be the one with the bloody nose at the top of the arena. It's been along time since I have seen a basketball game through the binoc's.
                        Just don't stand up, you're probably in front of me....
                        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss

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                        • #13
                          I only have the basic survival Spanish. Cuanto es las cervezas? Donde este los banos? Stuff like that. My accent, well that is non existant.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GarH
                            Make mine a shot of Don Julio 1942.
                            I only have the basic survival Spanish. Cuanto es las cervezas? Donde este los banos? Stuff like that. My accent, well that is non existant.

                            You had me at "shot."

                            :D

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                            • #15
                              I forget that Argh has a direct line to Coach Marshall
                              For those of you who haven't figured this out...
                              ...that's my "Capt. Obvious" schtick and I only pull it out when a thread has gone so far downhill that it deserves a "Capt. Obvious" response.

                              I admit that my patience grows a bit thin with those who seem convinced they know better than Marshall who should be getting minutes and what spots they should be playing.

                              Those same posters seem infatuated with stats sheets and seem to be unable to watch a game and form intelligent opinions on the contributions of the players they've been watching.

                              The entire concept that denying the opponent two points is equal to scoring two points seems lost on a lot of posters who tend to post most frequently and adamantly after a Shocker loss.

                              Getting back to the original topic of this thread - family and friends of Shocker athletes do read this. They are interested in what fans think of their friend or family member.
                              The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                              We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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