WSU 2010-11 - The Pretty Boy Team

[BOBB]

Not impressed with his 0.7 assist to turnover differential. I grant he gets his share of boards, though more due to Durley not getting his lazy assets to the glass. I'm not cold or fever. I wont sit here and argue with you ad infitum. I have made my case and you see it differently.

[shockmonster]

Respectfully, BOBB doesn't see the big picture. Tunnel vision.

[ABC]

I'm with Mr. Balla I think. (giving myself some wiggle room)

Great effort, toughness, scappiness are wonderful, but if they aren't resultiing in points, or if the other things like turnoevers negate it, what is the point.

Doesn't mean that Hatch shouldn't play, but I think I'll take Ben Smith over Hatch.

[Bigshotmaker]

Hatch is not particularly talented and you don't get points for effort. Great guy, mediocre player.

His effort has lead to a number of points and possessions gained and/or kept. Somebody has to do the dirty work the others won't.

His fouls and wild shots are effectively turnovers that negate his other efforts.

Can you pass the crack pipe that backs this up?

Man we better win a game quick.

[RoyalShock]

Not impressed with his 0.7 assist to turnover differential. I grant he gets his share of boards, though more due to Durley not getting his lazy assets to the glass. I'm not cold or fever. I wont sit here and argue with you ad infitum. I have made my case and you see it differently.

0.7? I'm seeing a 1.4 assist-to-turnover ratio (2.6 to 1.9). Along with 0.7 steals. I think his fouls are up (0.2/gm from last year) because he is drawing tougher assignments. Murry's fouls are down a bit (0.4/gm) as a result, so Graham is taking some of the fouls that Toure was committing last year due to who he was guarding.

His 3PT shooting us up 5+% from last season and he's 2nd on the team in boards. He is also getting to the FT line a little more in fewer minutes, meaning he's drawing at least as many more fouls as he's committing. (That is, comparing the per-game increases over last season.)

He isn't taking as many shots because he doesn't have to, thanks to the emergence of Mr. Kyles.

[ShockTalk]

I know there have been several times this year where he has past up open 3s. Perhaps he should shoot those and forget some of the 2s: 6-13 from 3, 5-15 inside 3. I know, small sample, but, offensively, isn't that why he's in there?

[pie n eye]

I think Graham is a great role player whose talents would be best used off the bench and in limited minutes(20/game might be pushing it). He is a key player for this team because he is great at making hustle plays, snatching up rebounds, and making the occassional three.

However, he does not shoot free throws well in the clutch or at all (66%). He tends to make ill advised or lazy passes on offense. And, I'm probably missing something, but I don't think he plays that great of defense. Sure, he gets more out of less on D than any of our players but that still doesn't cut it most of the time. He also fouls way too much and makes it obvious with his hands up "what, me?" look that he often adopts after/during the foul.

Graham is all I can ask for and more from a role player coming off the bench but I don't see him as a starter or as a guy I like to see playing towards the end of the game.

One thing is certain, there are vastly different opinions of him on this board.

[tropicalshox]

Funny we are discussing Hatch in a pretty boy thread. We can all agree that is one thing he is not (well, at least with his shirt on). I love him but I side with pie.

[ShockTalk]

Funny we are discussing Hatch in a pretty boy thread. We can all agree that is one thing he is not (well, at least with his shirt on). I love him but I side with pie.

Agreed. I think he'd provide spark and much needed experience off the bench.

[Aargh]

Let's settle this - I'll call Marshall and record my part of the conversation:

Hey, Gregg, who's the best SF on the team?

There's a bunch of guys on ShockerNet who want him to spend more time on the bench. Do you have anything to say about that?

Uh Huh.

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Uh, Gregg, we've been on the phone for an hour now - I've got to go. thanks for the info.

OK, now that that's settled...

...On to some meaningful discussions - like starting football and joining the Big 10.

[ShockTalk]

Let's settle this - I'll call Marshall and record my part of the conversation:

Hey, Gregg, who's the best SF on the team?

There's a bunch of guys on ShockerNet who want him to spend more time on the bench. Do you have anything to say about that?

Uh Huh.

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I see your point
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Well, obviously
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Can't argue with that
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Of course
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Uh, Gregg, we've been on the phone for an hour now - I've got to go. thanks for the info.

OK, now that that's settled...

...On to some meaningful discussions - like starting football and joining the Big 10.

Sorry Aargh, but this shtick is getting old.

[pie n eye]

Let's settle this - I'll call Marshall and record my part of the conversation:

Hey, Gregg, who's the best SF on the team?

There's a bunch of guys on ShockerNet who want him to spend more time on the bench. Do you have anything to say about that?

Uh Huh.

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I see your point
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Well, obviously
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Can't argue with that
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Of course
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Uh, Gregg, we've been on the phone for an hour now - I've got to go. thanks for the info.

OK, now that that's settled...

...On to some meaningful discussions - like starting football and joining the Big 10.

Sorry Aargh, but this shtick is getting old.

Liked. I'm not sure what a post like Aargh's adds to the discussion.

We're not stupid. We don't think Shockernet is a suggestion box for Coach Marshall. We don't think we know better than he does.

[tropicalshox]

You are correct, Hatch's starting position is safe. Probably as good of chance WSU will soon announce the start up of football and joining the WAC.

[GarH]

When you are trying to impress the need for toughness and giving 100%, you don't sit your hardest working player. That would just negate the message.

[SubGod22]

When you are trying to impress the need for toughness and giving 100%, you don't sit your hardest working player. That would just negate the message.

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