Future scheduling

[forevershockerfan]

I always wondered why we don't play George Mason. Even so, maybe we need to step out of the box while we will have another solid team next Season. By that I mean, maybe play some to teams like we did the Cuse that year without a return favor if needed. We beat them at the Dome, got a ton of National Pub., sent 25,000 fans home all sad, and laughed all the way to the bank. Now a handful of such games could be cool, especially if we get them on National TV. Please discuss.

[tropicalshox]

I don't think you will find many top teams doing what Georgetown did, which is going to mid-majors that have good chance to beat them. If any are thinking about doing it they will probably think twice. Georgetown lost to Temple.

[ShockTalk]

I don't think you will find many top teams doing what Georgetown did, which is going to mid-majors that have good chance to beat them. If any are thinking about doing it they will probably think twice. Georgetown lost to Temple.

There are a few BCS teams that I know of doing H/Hs, along with other top mid majors:

Richmond - Wake Forest, possibly Seton Hall and AZ St

Temple - GU, Seton Hall, Villinova (Philly connection I believe)

Xavier - Wake Forest, Florida, Cincinnati, Butler, possibly Georgia and Gonzaga

Dayton - Possibly Mississippi, Cincinnati, Seton Hall; New Mexico, ODU

ODU - GU, Missouri, Dayton, Richmond

UAB - Georgia, VCU

UNLV - Louisville, K St, possibly Wisconsin

SDSU - St Mary's, possibly Cal and Gonzaga

[ABC]

How many of those above are 2 for 1s?

Philadelphia has the "Big Five" that play each other every year.

Temple, Villanova, La Salle, St. Joe's and Penn.

Drexel gets left out of that.

And Temple, St. Joe's and La Salle all have the advantage of being in a hotbed of high school prospects.

[Ixiah]

Re: Future scheduling

Are there any non-conference games set for the next few years beyond Tulsa and UMKC?

There will always be the 2 bracketbuster games (next year it will be Utah State at home and ? on the road) for as long as MVC is in it. As long as WSU maintains a good record those can be decent games.

[ShockTalk]

How many of those above are 2 for 1s?

Philadelphia has the "Big Five" that play each other every year.

Temple, Villanova, La Salle, St. Joe's and Penn.

Drexel gets left out of that.

And Temple, St. Joe's and La Salle all have the advantage of being in a hotbed of high school prospects.

Don't have an easy way to answer the 2 for 1 question and, as for Villanova, that's what I meant by the Philley note.

Nevertheless, these are similar programs to WSU and, however they're doing it, they are scheduling games with BCS and top mid major teams at home.

[SubGod22]

I still think we should look into doing a series of some kind with the following. Some may be 2-1. 1-1. 1-2. I don't care but I'm sure a few would accept it.

Team and last years RPI

Temple - 8
Baylor - 9
Butler - 12
Richmond - 25
ODU - 27
Utah State - 30
Siena - 31
OSU - 32
Georgia Tech - 33
St. Mary's - 34
Gonzaga - 36
UTEP - 38
UAB - 45
Kent State - 47
New Mexico State - 51
Oakland - 52
Dayton - 54
Murray State - 57
Marshall - 67
Wofford - 69
Sam Houston State - 70
Northeastern - 75
Charlotte - 77
Louisiana Tech - 78
Wright State - 80
IUPUI - 83
Morehead St. - 84
St. Louis - 87
Akron - 89
Charleston - 91
Ohio - 95
Alabama - 102
North Texas - 104
Georgia - 106
Troy - 109
Houston - 110
Southern Miss - 113
Duquesne - 114
Northwestern - 116
Colorado - 120
E. Tenn. St. - 121
Western Carolina - 122
0U - 124
Oral Roberts - 126
Western Kentucky - 132
Coastal Carolina - 136
Jacksonville - 142
Miami (OH) - 143
Hofstra - 145
Drexel - 146
George Washington - 148
George Mason - 158
Arkansas - 159
Winthrop - 160
Cleveland St. - 165
Detroit - 167

The deals would vary depending on who, but I think some of these teams would accept a 2-1 in our favor. Even if it's 1-1 it's not horrible and beats buying 300+ teams all the time. We don't need more than a couple of the really bad teams really. Some of these names aren't sexy but would really increase our SOS and RPI. I admit that some of these numbers may be an anomoly as I don't know what each looks like over the past few years, who's graduating or who's coming in or coaching changes for the better or worse. But I do think there are plenty of options if we're willing to leave home from time to time even for a less than big name. And we could always setup a 1 and done with a UCON type of team or try and get a 2-1 with them. Whatever.

I do like having Tulsa on the schedule. I don't mind UMKC even though they've been less than stellar. We have to do something though outside of the BB and MWC/MVC challenge. It can be done.

[Shocker Rocker]

I still think we should look into doing a series of some kind with the following. Some may be 2-1. 1-1. 1-2. I don't care but I'm sure a few would accept it.

Team and last years RPI

Temple - 8
Baylor - 9
Butler - 12
Richmond - 25
ODU - 27
Utah State - 30
Siena - 31
OSU - 32
Georgia Tech - 33
St. Mary's - 34
Gonzaga - 36
UTEP - 38
UAB - 45
Kent State - 47
New Mexico State - 51
Oakland - 52
Dayton - 54
Murray State - 57
Marshall - 67
Wofford - 69
Sam Houston State - 70
Northeastern - 75
Charlotte - 77
Louisiana Tech - 78
Wright State - 80
IUPUI - 83
Morehead St. - 84
St. Louis - 87
Akron - 89
Charleston - 91
Ohio - 95
Alabama - 102
North Texas - 104
Georgia - 106
Troy - 109
Houston - 110
Southern Miss - 113
Duquesne - 114
Northwestern - 116
Colorado - 120
E. Tenn. St. - 121
Western Carolina - 122
0U - 124
Oral Roberts - 126
Western Kentucky - 132
Coastal Carolina - 136
Jacksonville - 142
Miami (OH) - 143
Hofstra - 145
Drexel - 146
George Washington - 148
George Mason - 158
Arkansas - 159
Winthrop - 160
Cleveland St. - 165
Detroit - 167

The deals would vary depending on who, but I think some of these teams would accept a 2-1 in our favor. Even if it's 1-1 it's not horrible and beats buying 300+ teams all the time. We don't need more than a couple of the really bad teams really. Some of these names aren't sexy but would really increase our SOS and RPI. I admit that some of these numbers may be an anomoly as I don't know what each looks like over the past few years, who's graduating or who's coming in or coaching changes for the better or worse. But I do think there are plenty of options if we're willing to leave home from time to time even for a less than big name. And we could always setup a 1 and done with a UCON type of team or try and get a 2-1 with them. Whatever.

I do like having Tulsa on the schedule. I don't mind UMKC even though they've been less than stellar. We have to do something though outside of the BB and MWC/MVC challenge. It can be done.

That makes some sense, and would make for more exciting viewing, but I wonder if mid-major coaches think that they already play several teams like this in-conference, and that out of conference they need to either have a guaranteed win (against the weak sisters of DI) or try to impress people by playing relatively strong BCS opponents. When the selection committee looks at contests against schools like Kent State, Murray State, Oakland, et al, I wonder if the committee members see those as good wins, or whether they see them as elimination contests (I remember some people on here arguing that BracketBuster outcomes don't really help the winners, but they rule out the losers).

[SubGod22]

I still think we should look into doing a series of some kind with the following. Some may be 2-1. 1-1. 1-2. I don't care but I'm sure a few would accept it.

Team and last years RPI

Temple - 8
Baylor - 9
Butler - 12
Richmond - 25
ODU - 27
Utah State - 30
Siena - 31
OSU - 32
Georgia Tech - 33
St. Mary's - 34
Gonzaga - 36
UTEP - 38
UAB - 45
Kent State - 47
New Mexico State - 51
Oakland - 52
Dayton - 54
Murray State - 57
Marshall - 67
Wofford - 69
Sam Houston State - 70
Northeastern - 75
Charlotte - 77
Louisiana Tech - 78
Wright State - 80
IUPUI - 83
Morehead St. - 84
St. Louis - 87
Akron - 89
Charleston - 91
Ohio - 95
Alabama - 102
North Texas - 104
Georgia - 106
Troy - 109
Houston - 110
Southern Miss - 113
Duquesne - 114
Northwestern - 116
Colorado - 120
E. Tenn. St. - 121
Western Carolina - 122
0U - 124
Oral Roberts - 126
Western Kentucky - 132
Coastal Carolina - 136
Jacksonville - 142
Miami (OH) - 143
Hofstra - 145
Drexel - 146
George Washington - 148
George Mason - 158
Arkansas - 159
Winthrop - 160
Cleveland St. - 165
Detroit - 167

The deals would vary depending on who, but I think some of these teams would accept a 2-1 in our favor. Even if it's 1-1 it's not horrible and beats buying 300+ teams all the time. We don't need more than a couple of the really bad teams really. Some of these names aren't sexy but would really increase our SOS and RPI. I admit that some of these numbers may be an anomoly as I don't know what each looks like over the past few years, who's graduating or who's coming in or coaching changes for the better or worse. But I do think there are plenty of options if we're willing to leave home from time to time even for a less than big name. And we could always setup a 1 and done with a UCON type of team or try and get a 2-1 with them. Whatever.

I do like having Tulsa on the schedule. I don't mind UMKC even though they've been less than stellar. We have to do something though outside of the BB and MWC/MVC challenge. It can be done.

That makes some sense, and would make for more exciting viewing, but I wonder if mid-major coaches think that they already play several teams like this in-conference, and that out of conference they need to either have a guaranteed win (against the weak sisters of DI) or try to impress people by playing relatively strong BCS opponents. When the selection committee looks at contests against schools like Kent State, Murray State, Oakland, et al, I wonder if the committee members see those as good wins, or whether they see them as elimination contests (I remember some people on here arguing that BracketBuster outcomes don't really help the winners, but they rule out the losers).

Good wins are based off of RPI. Top 50 and Top 100. I've also heard SOS used when it comes to narrowing things down or seeding. I think some of these teams would gladly accept a home and home or maybe even a two for one. Either way, it'd be a winning situation for both schools I think. I threw in some BcS schools in the same range that we may be able to get a deal done but who knows.

I'm sure some of the schools on the list would shy away from such a setup. But I have a really hard time believing none of them would work. Some of these schools aren't seen as "sexy" names and probably don't get a lot of good home games. I'd think that could be something that would help us over some of them maybe accepting a buy game from a BcS school.

[moshock]

It would be nice to think that as we get better (top 50 rpi) that the BCS and other teams that are rated below 50 would see us as a possible RPI builder and schedule us.

Hopefully we get some decent home games next year and if we have to schedule some away games outside of the tourney's we can find someone who wants to start a home and home at their place.

I'm sure this isn't an original idea, just something I'd like to see.

:wsu_posters:

[MadDog]

We should never, ever, ever, play Morehead St. For those of us old enough to remember, that was the one single game that brought Shocker football down. Lets don't push our luck with basketball.

[ShockerFever]

We should never, ever, ever, play Morehead St. For those of us old enough to remember, that was the one single game that brought Shocker football down. Lets don't push our luck with basketball.

As long as we're not leading 35-3 at halftime, we should be ok. :shock:

[tropicalshox]

We should never, ever, ever, play Morehead St. For those of us old enough to remember, that was the one single game that brought Shocker football down. Lets don't push our luck with basketball.

As long as we're not leading 35-3 at halftime, we should be ok. :shock:

An event in history right up there with Darrell Evans' 400th home run.

http://www.brainyhistory.com/days/september_20.html

[tropicalshox]

Luckly I had few modifications in my synaptic connections between neurons so I have no long term memory of that day.

[ShockerFever]

Luckly I had few modifications in my synaptic connections between neurons so I have no long term memory of that day.

Luckily my synaptic connections between neurons were not fully developed yet. :clap: