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Wichita State vs Nicholls State Prouty Ratings
* Improved from previous game.Code:NSU All Player Game Games Kyles 0.344 0.506 Murry* 0.440 0.457 Durley* 0.453 0.420 Hatch* 0.410 0.380 Smith* 0.475 0.379 Ragland 0.265 0.376 Hamilton* 0.005 0.354 Stutz* 0.320 0.335 Blair 0.087 0.331 Williams --- 0.317 Ellis* 0.443 0.315 Richardson* 0.005 0.262 Orukpe --- 0.225 Brown --- 0.192 Walker --- --- TEAM* 0.458 0.488 Team Winning Percentage: 0.750
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Wichita State vs Alabama A&M Prouty Ratings
* Improved from previous game.Code:A A&M All Player Game Games Kyles 0.335 0.496 Murry* 0.549 0.473 Durley 0.420 0.422 Hatch* 0.506 0.401 Ragland* 0.324 0.375 Smith 0.146 0.356 Stutz* 0.481 0.355 Blair --- 0.325 Ellis 0.388 0.323 Williams --- 0.312 Hamilton* 0.010 0.280 Richardson* 0.135 0.271 Orukpe* 0.272 0.232 Brown* 0.010 0.192 Walker --- --- TEAM* 0.488 0.495 Team Winning Percentage: 0.778
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Wichita State vs Louisiana State Prouty Ratings
* Improved from previous game.Code:LSU All Player Game Games Kyles 0.437 0.489 Murry 0.394 0.464 Durley 0.368 0.418 Hatch 0.322 0.392 Ragland* 0.411 0.377 Stutz 0.477 0.370 Smith* 0.260 0.353 Blair* 0.359 0.329 Ellis 0.133 0.309 Williams* 0.005 0.307 Hamilton --- 0.280 Richardson --- 0.271 Orukpe --- 0.230 Brown --- 0.192 Walker --- --- TEAM 0.437 0.494 Team Winning Percentage: 0.800
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Wichita State vs Tulsa Prouty Ratings
* Improved from previous game.Code:TU All Player Game Games Kyles* 0.566 0.499 Murry* 0.416 0.461 Durley* 0.453 0.422 Stutz* 0.546 0.392 Hatch* 0.382 0.392 Smith* 0.546 0.368 Ragland 0.061 0.365 Blair* 0.364 0.329 Ellis* 0.433 0.326 Williams* 0.135 0.297 Hamilton --- 0.280 Richardson --- 0.270 Orukpe --- 0.228 Brown --- 0.192 Walker --- --- TEAM* 0.512 0.500 Team Winning Percentage: 0.818
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It this a characteristic inherent in the rating formula or an indication of a FANTASTIC coaching job by Marshall? The All-games rating for the team is .500 (which is an A-, according to the original post) but not a single individual's rating is that high. So is the coach getting more than the "sum of the parts" (I know, btw, that you don't add percentages)?Originally posted by 1979Shocker
Maybe it really does mean that defense is an important part of basketball also and the Prouty just undervalues that part of the game."I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
"We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".
A physician called into a radio show and said:
"That's the definition of a stool sample."Comment
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I was going to PM 1979Shocker about that very thing this morning. Thanks for bringing it up im4wsu.Comment
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Looking at the composite stats a slightly different way. btw, Murry's stats are spearated into two lines in the goshockers.com official stats due to spelling Toure'.
The columns to the right of the bold line in the middle are R-O%, the percentage of the player's rebounds that are offensive rebounds; followed by defensive rebound percentage; then the remaining are converted to average for forty minutes played.
Note Hatch and Smith on the rebound percentage. Kyles is also a surprise that he isn't more effective on the offensive glass.
The Bigs, Stutz, Blair and Ehimen, need to cut down their fouls so they can play more. It appears Stutz is making some progress.
Every player above Williams in the tavle has assists greater ot equal to turnovers. Very impresive for the interior guys to have 1:1 ratios or better.
The points-40 illustrates the depth we enjoy, We have 6 guys with 15+ and another 6 between 10 and 15.
Would be interest in hearing what others might see in these numbers.[/img]"I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
"We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".
A physician called into a radio show and said:
"That's the definition of a stool sample."Comment
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I'll have to see what's going on.Originally posted by ShockTalkComment
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Generally, those are good looking numbers, im4wsu. Speaking in reference of the first 10 players listed, I'm particularly pleased to see that we have 5 at or above 80% FT and 2 more above 70%. That can come in handy in a late game crunch. So far, no one has had to average over 26.6 minutes per game, so when a player has to go 30+ minutes in a tougher game, he gets his rest in the others. On the down side, the steals look like they might be a little disappointing.
As for individuals, I was a little surprised at Ben's number per 40 minutes. 5th in scoring, 3rd in assists with a good T/A ratio, low on fouls, but coming up short in rebounding.Comment
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I don't what causes the TEAM rating to be higher. Maybe since winning is 1/4 of the rating, it's enough to do that.
Here are some previous games showing the highest player rating and TEAM rating.
WSU vs Nicholls State
WSU vs Alabama A&MCode:Kyles 0.506 TEAM 0.488
Highest player rating drops and TEAM rating rises after the Alabama A&M game.Code:Kyles 0.496 TEAM 0.495
WSU vs LSU
Highest player rating drops and TEAM rating drops slightly. TEAM rating is now higher than highest player rating after the LSU game.Code:Kyles 0.489 TEAM 0.494
WSU vs Tulsa
Highest player rating rises and TEAM rating rises. TEAM rating is still higher than highest player rating after the Tulsa game.Code:Kyles 0.499 TEAM 0.500
I looked at the ratings last year and there are also some games where the TEAM rating is higher than any player rating.Comment
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1979Shocker, could it have to do with the "Win Rating" part due to how minutes are calculated for the team vs an individual?Comment
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I'll be adding some charts showing the player's ratings later today.
I'll only be adding those with significant playing time.Comment
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I'm such a fan of looking at a per 40 minute game in regard to stats, because it tells how effective a player is while on the floor. Great job im4wsu...kudos. The reason Kyles has such a low offensive rebound % is because as a SG he is typically out on the floor further than most players. And since Kyles looks for the 3 more than anybody, he will be out of position to get O rebounds. Hatch on the other hand has just a nose for the ball, which we all know. His O rebound % is the most impressive, which isn't a surprise because he is just a warrior. Blair is a beast at getting any kind of a rebound. The challenge is to keep him on the floor more...keep healthy & out of foul trouble. As you said the A-TO ratio is very good in general for everybody. I have posted these numbers in the past, but you are clearly more tech advanced and can do it in a presentation which is much better than mine. Again, great work...thanks.Originally posted by im4wsuLooking at the composite stats a slightly different way. btw, Murry's stats are spearated into two lines in the goshockers.com official stats due to spelling Toure'.
The columns to the right of the bold line in the middle are R-O%, the percentage of the player's rebounds that are offensive rebounds; followed by defensive rebound percentage; then the remaining are converted to average for forty minutes played.
Note Hatch and Smith on the rebound percentage. Kyles is also a surprise that he isn't more effective on the offensive glass.
The Bigs, Stutz, Blair and Ehimen, need to cut down their fouls so they can play more. It appears Stutz is making some progress.
Every player above Williams in the tavle has assists greater ot equal to turnovers. Very impresive for the interior guys to have 1:1 ratios or better.
The points-40 illustrates the depth we enjoy, We have 6 guys with 15+ and another 6 between 10 and 15.
Would be interest in hearing what others might see in these numbers.[/img]Comment
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