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**1979Shocker** · November 16, 2010, 10:56 PM

Wichita State vs Texas Southern Prouty Ratings

Code:

             TSU     All
Player      Game    Games
Kyles       0.638   0.638
Ragland     0.590   0.590
Murry       0.534   0.534
Durley      0.487   0.487
Orukpe      0.431   0.431
Smith       0.408   0.408
Hatch       0.396   0.396
Williams    0.363   0.363
Stutz       0.327   0.327
Blair       0.316   0.316
Ellis       0.241   0.241
Hamilton     ---     ---
Richardson   ---     ---
Walker       ---     ---
Brown      -0.231  -0.231
TEAM        0.578   0.578

Team Winning Percentage: 1.000

**ShockTalk** · November 21, 2010, 12:51 PM

1979Shocker:

I know we've gone over some of this before, but I'd like to re-visit the use of the Prouty Ratings, particularly for all the SNrs viewing the results. Please let me know about any of this that you disagree with.

Generally, a viewer of these ratings needs something to give them a value of worth. Thus, the A-F grading system which I know you hesitated in using. As I see it, the value of whether the team wins or loses the game has too much impact on an individual performance rating. It's good and proper for a team rating.

Example: A player's game stats: 12pts, 4-9 FG (1-3 from 3 pt), 3-4 FT, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 TO, 1 steal, no blocks, 2 PF in 25 minutes. I think most would think this a pretty good stat line, shall we say a B effort. If I calculated it right, with a Win the rating would be .483 (B+), with a Loss it would be a .326 (C-). So, the same performance by a player, from a individual game, would yield a much different grade evaluation depending on whether the team won or lost. After two games, a win and a loss, the player rating would be .404 (B-). Granted, as more games are played, this will have less impact, but two players with the same season stat line would still have a fair difference in Prouty evaluation if one's team was winning 80% of their games vs the other team winning 45%.

Particularly, be wary of this rating in the early part of the season. If you look at the Men's first game, one would think they had a very huge game given the large number of players with very high ratings. On the other hand, in the Women's first game loss to a decent team in overtime, yielded individual numbers that could resemble a blowout.

Basically, just be cautious in applying a grade (A-F) to a player's actual stat performance.

**Snapshot9** · November 22, 2010, 10:56 AM

Basically what you said makes sense, but it is just like any other sport where averages (or handicaps) are used. They usually vary somewhat in the first few weeks until enough games are under the belt where the averages (or grades) then become fairly steady, and therefore reliable.

It was just a few years ago, when J.J. Redick led the nation in Prouty ratings with a .596( not sure about the 6, but was .59 something).

**1979Shocker** · November 22, 2010, 01:20 PM

The wins/losses do affect it a lot. If you saw the ratings for the first women's game, it wasn't very good. A win for them would have made it must better. Also a player's rating increases more when they have more minutes in a game that is a win.

More than anything, the ratings show how a player is doing compared to his teammates. It's hard to really rate a player when you don't know how good the opponent is. If they play all bad teams, they should have a lot better ratings than they would against good teams.

**1979Shocker** · November 23, 2010, 02:11 AM

Wichita State vs Connecticut Prouty Ratings

Code:

             UC      All
Player      Game    Games
Kyles       0.504   0.536
Murry       0.440   0.448
Ragland     0.113   0.384
Hatch*      0.423   0.371
Orukpe      0.003   0.365
Smith*      0.509   0.349
Durley      0.337   0.344
Williams    0.316   0.300
Blair       0.303   0.278
Ellis       0.220   0.205
Stutz       0.100   0.200
Hamilton     ---     ---
Richardson   ---     ---
Walker       ---     ---
Brown        ---   -0.245
TEAM        0.401   0.426

Team Winning Percentage: 0.500