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  • Pick Up Games - June 17, 2010

    1. I arrived about 4:15 P.M. After 10 minutes or so, it became apparent that the women would have the floor. So, I left the stands. As I was walking to my car, it occurred to me that the players might be on the practice courts. Zounds! I guess rightly.

    So, the lesson is this: If the players are not in the main arena, check the practice courts before you give up.

    2. The main reason I returned today is because I wanted to see E.O. I walked into the practice facility and there he was leaning against the wall. He had been playing skin, so he was without a shirt. All I could think was "Wow."

    Here is the good news. He has really filled out since, I saw him two years ago. He is scary to see. When he jogs onto the court, the opponents are going to say, "OMG."

    The rest of the news is not so encouraging.
    (1) He is a fouling machine. Big time fouling machine.
    (2) He did not run the floor well at all. It was so poor, I asked a team manager, if he was hurt. The manager said no.
    (3) He did not play with much effort.
    (4) He did not display enthusiasm.
    (5) He did not rebound.
    (6) He did not score.
    (7) He did block one shot.

    I suggest expectations be dialed back. Way, way back. Extra way, way back. I should mention a previous assessment, which I had. Once upon a time, long, long ago, I stated that Tim Duncan will never make it in the NBA. So, now you know my basketball talent evaluation credentials.

    3. Aaron was there today. He could not throw the ball in the ocean. He was about 2/12. One of his misses was a break away, uncontested, 0.5' layup. He played pretty good defense though. For you hair stylists, Aaron is letting his hair grow out.

    4. There are four southpaws on the team - Tyler, Jerome, Joe and Graham. Just a little trivia for you.

    5. The practices are going to be very spirited this year. We have a lot of talent. I would love to see Rags v. Williams in practice. It will be a blue ribbon battle everyday.

    Today, I thought it got a little personal between Rags and Demetric. I saw some high powered dribble penetrations and belt buckle to belt buckle defense. I gave the edge to Joe.

    Both of them are fast, quick and athletic.

    6. I am going to make a wild prediction. You can dismiss it, if you wish. I predict that no one in the Valley will be able to stay with Joe, one on one. He is a stud duck on dribble penetration. His drives are so powerful and he plays so well in traffic. He is going to be a lot of fun to watch.

    7. During play, Joe did not shoot from the outside very often. When there was a break in play, he would sit out at the 3 line and just drain 3s. He was like a machine. It has been reported that he shot 52.5% from 3 last year. I believe it in spades.

    8. The Juco kid named Poland was there. I do not think he is good enough to play for the Shockers.

    9. There was a white kid from Andover there. I don't think it was Randall Vautravers, but I could be wrong. The kid is pretty thin and not very athletic. He was in way over his head. He shot successive air balls.

    10. As I mentioned yesterday, J.T. was firing 3s from everywhere. Lots of them. I did not keep stats, but I guess he was around 30%-33%. Also, he did a lot of dribble penetration today. E.O. stood no chance.

    11. Mason Feltner was there today. He had a good time playing with his buds. Mason and Toure played a lot of two man effectively.

    12. Jerome likes to take the ball across the deep paint and put up a big sweeping hook shot.

    13. Garrett hit some very nice set shots again today. One in the deep corner was impressive because it look so effortless.

    14. Gabe and Graham were not there.

    15. I think Tyler might be a pretty good 3 man someday. He plays hard and I like his attitude.

    16. If David's athletic ability along with his potential as a 3 ball shooter becomes effective, the Shockers will have a great team. Sometimes, when David is being aggressive, it looks as if he is just toying with the defenders. Today, he shot very well.

    How he plays in pick up games is night and day from the way he plays in regulation games. I realize he is more restricted in game play, but darn, if he played just a little more aggressively in game play, he would be a lot of fun to watch.

    17. I cannot help, but think that Joe and Demetric will be on the floor together next season. If so, it will be a hard pair of guards to contain on the dribble or from the 3 line.

    18. Toure did not take many 3 ball shots. His flight has more arch than he had a freshman. He made many dribble drives with finish or dish. He dished more than he finished. I thought he do so because he was getting the ball to the open man. He made several really clever moves around the basket. He really is maturing.

    19. This may be one of the best Shocker teams ever with respect to depth. There may be former teams with better results on the season, but not in the depth department.

    I encourage everyone to find time to watch them. You will really be excited.
    "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

    --Niels Bohr








  • #2
    Was the kid you saw from Andover around 6'4-6'5? Darker hair? When I heard Randall was going to walk on at WSU, I was kinda surprised. He wasn't even the best player on Central's team this season, maybe not even second sometimes. He's just an average scorer with an okay 3 point shot, but he does hit the boards hard.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shocks02
      Was the kid you saw from Andover around 6'4-6'5? Darker hair? When I heard Randall was going to walk on at WSU, I was kinda surprised. He wasn't even the best player on Central's team this season, maybe not even second sometimes. He's just an average scorer with an okay 3 point shot, but he does hit the boards hard.
      I would have thought he was in the 6-0 range. He had full, dark curly hair.
      Slight of build.

      I only watched him in one set.

      I wish I could give you a better answer. He did play on the wing. So, I might be wrong on the height.
      "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

      --Niels Bohr







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      • #4
        Again, thanks for the great insight RDR. You have me really excited about Joe. I can't wait to see the kid.

        :good:
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        ... No really, deuces.
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        • #5
          I watched Orukpe when he was first here, and it sounds, RDR, like he has regressed since then. He did run the floor well when he was here before (better than Stutz), in fact, he looked like a gazelle going down the court.

          Now I have heard that Gene Bess at 3R is a very good coach, so why do we have Orukpe showing up here, and playing so badly. I would have thought that the coaches would have lit a fire under him.

          Basketball is not rocket science, and you don't have to be real smart to get it figured out pretty well. Even players that are not that athletic can be good players if they work at it religiously, i.e., Graham Hatch. Look at the strides Hatch has made out of pure effort and determination on his part.

          If he is not going to put out the effort to play his best, all the time, then I would just as soon the scholarship went to someone else. We have courted him a long time.

          Our program is on the way up, and we need players with the same goal in mind.

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          • #6
            I'm sure EO will get with the program. He hasn't had the chance to work with our coaches and at best has barely been able to work with our strength and conditioning coach. I think (despite the unreasonable hype regarding having 2 7 footers) that we all knew and know that he'll be a work in progress for some time, but the good news is we'll have him for 3 years. By all accounts he's a great kid and I have no doubts he'll work hard. Maybe he was just having a bad day, or wasn't feeling well--who knows?

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            • #7
              He also could have had a long day in the weight room and was feeling the effects. We've all seen flashes of what he can do. I'm not going to be that concerned over one report from one day. If this is a trend all summer I might be a little concerned but one day is nothing. There's plenty of possible reasons for a day like what was reported. I'm still quite excited to have him here and can't wait to watch how he progresses


              I'm not worried.
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              • #8
                I am not saying the E.O. has regressed and I am not saying he did not have an excuse/reason for the way he played yesterday.

                I just reported what I saw and suggested a lowering of expectations.
                "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

                --Niels Bohr







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                • #9
                  Orupke

                  Subgod touched on exactly what I thot about Orupke after watching him play on Tues & I reported then that his 2nd time on the floor was much better than the first. I, too, suspected that he is not yet used to lifting weights before these scrimmages. I saw him play here 2 summers ago in a late July session and he ran the floor very well then and my guess is that he wasn't lifting weights then before a scrimmage.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snapshot9
                    I watched Orukpe when he was first here, and it sounds, RDR, like he has regressed since then. He did run the floor well when he was here before (better than Stutz), in fact, he looked like a gazelle going down the court.

                    Now I have heard that Gene Bess at 3R is a very good coach, so why do we have Orukpe showing up here, and playing so badly. I would have thought that the coaches would have lit a fire under him.

                    Basketball is not rocket science, and you don't have to be real smart to get it figured out pretty well. Even players that are not that athletic can be good players if they work at it religiously, i.e., Graham Hatch. Look at the strides Hatch has made out of pure effort and determination on his part.

                    If he is not going to put out the effort to play his best, all the time, then I would just as soon the scholarship went to someone else. We have courted him a long time.

                    Our program is on the way up, and we need players with the same goal in mind.
                    You don't normally troll, so I'm not going to ignore this.

                    Are you really ready to give EO's scholarship away based on one poster's account of a pickup game?

                    C'mon, use your head. There were times I watched Tyler Richardson last summer and he couldn't hit the ocean with a beach ball. The coaching staff has said he can shoot, and I've seen him knock down shots, so I'm not going to take my experience out of context.

                    I've seen EO out-run people down the floor, I've seen him play with a lot of energy. I'm not going to take one report from some pick-up game and lose my mind.
                    "Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
                    -John Wooden

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                    • #11
                      You're right, didn't have a particular good day yesterday and RDR's report just hit a wrong note. There has been a lot of expectations of Orukpe for a long time though (note: 130 something pages of a thread).

                      I just expected him to be further along than what it sounded like. I don't buy the lifting weights excuse, as I have been lifting weights for 48 years, including during wrestling 2 years in High School. Basketball players don't usually workout that heavy with weights anyway, otherwise they would all look like bodybuilders. (and I understand the different types of lifting for different purposes).

                      Maybe, he just had a bad day.

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                      • #12
                        I've heard plenty of stories about basketball players lifting before and how much it effects them. Especially when they first show up and they're not used to it. I'm guessing KR has him doing things differently than they had him doing at 3R.
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                        ICT S.O.S - Great local cause fighting against human trafficking
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                        • #13
                          I had the same thoughts as SubGod22. He's probably not used the workout he's now doing. I'll be interested in hearing how it goes as summer progresses.

                          Thanks once again on the reports!!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SubGod22
                            I've heard plenty of stories about basketball players lifting before and how much it effects them. Especially when they first show up and they're not used to it. I'm guessing KR has him doing things differently than they had him doing at 3R.
                            This.

                            Until anyone does a KR workout and then tries to immediately play ball (even if it is just pickup) against Division 1 athletes I don't think any of us can assume how it is or isn't effecting him.

                            I'm not worried, but mostly because I haven't been predicting him to be the next Hakeem...especially this year. I will be happy if he can give 5-10 mins a game and provide some interior defense. Outside of that I just hope to see steady improvement as the year progresses. The nice thing is that this team won't have to rely on him playing tons of minutes right away. They can bring him along at a nice pace.
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                            • #15
                              :yes:

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