All Sports Trophy

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[The Mad Hatter]

Does Bowling count? The mens won another national title and the Women finished high up.

No.

College bowling is a club sport, not an NCAA sport.

The bowling that we participate in is a club sport. The NCAA I believe added bowling a few years ago but very few are involved.

Ha, you're right. Looked it up- since 2004, only on the womens side, and it's a smorgasbord of all size divisions it looks like.

I believe all the top schools stayed in whatever association it is that we play in. Why I remember this is beyond me.

If I remember correctly, participating in the ITC instead of the NCAA allows bowlers to compete in professional tournaments while they are still in school.

[WSUwatcher]

Yep

You're correct, Hatter. Shocker bowlers can earn tournament prize money while still competing for WSU -- and some have been known to win quite a bit -- whereas NCAA bowlers would not be able to do so.

Pretty far off-topic (in the great ShockerNet tradition, as is this whole thread, really) -- but no one would see this if I posted it somewhere else.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Call me crazy, but I think the Shockers might have won the All Sports trophy.

For the All Sports calculation, I wonder, if tie breakers are considered.

Even without the baseball tie breaker, I think the Shockers may have won the trophy.

I have my fangers crossed.

[WstateU]

Call me crazy, but I think the Shockers might have won the All Sports trophy.

For the All Sports calculation, I wonder, if tie breakers are considered.

Even without the baseball tie breaker, I think the Shockers may have won the trophy.

I have my fangers crossed.

[SFL]

[Ricardo del Rio]

Oh so close.

Illinois St.
2.74

Wichita St.
2.83

S. Illinois
4.03

Missouri St
4.35

UNI
4.57

[Ricardo del Rio]

ST. LOUIS, MO. -- Illinois State has earned the 2009-10 Missouri Valley Conference All-Sports Championship, as the Redbirds combined with Wichita State to claim an amazing 11 (of 18) league titles. It was one of the tightest results in league history, as Illinois State edged second-place Wichita State by 0.098. ISU had team titles in women’s soccer, women’s basketball, women’s golf, men’s tennis, and claimed its first-ever regular-season baseball title this past weekend.



MORE: http://www.mvc-sports.com/ViewArticl...CLID=204950438



It marks the 12th all-sports crown for the Redbirds, second-most of any league school (Wichita State has 17). Illinois State has finished in the Top Five of the league’s all-sports race for 28-straight years, and the Redbirds have finished first, second, or third in 18 of the past 20 years.



 Wichita State’s seven titles (shared baseball with Illinois State), and Illinois State’s five titles are among the best all-time since 1992-93 (when the women’s and men’s sports began competing under the same umbrella). Meanwhile, a school has had an aggregate point total better than 3.0 (average finish of each sponsored sport) four times since 1993-94, but this year is the first time that two schools had a figure better than 3.00 as both ISU and WSU finished under 3.00 (2.735 and 2.833, respectively).



 The All-Sports Trophy is based on a school’s average finish in each of the sponsored championships by the Missouri Valley Conference. Teams are awarded one point for first, two for second, three for third, etc., and the total accumulated points are divided by the number of sports in which a particular school competes. Finishes in baseball, basketball, soccer, softball, tennis and volleyball are based on regular-season competition. All other sports are determined by finish at the championship tournament or championship meet.







Mike Kern

[ShockTalk]

Congrats to the Shocker's Men's and Women's programs. Any other season and their point total would have gotten the All-Sports Trophy.

Since many here are more knowledgable about the items I'm going to address, please correct any errors and answer questions.

There are 18 MVC sponsored sports. No school participates in all 18, but here is my break-down for each school: 17 sports - Ill St; 16 - Drake; 15 - UNI, SIU, WSU; 14 - Bradley, Evansville; 13 - MSU, In St, Creighton. 4 schools (including Ill St) play in 2 additional non-MVC sponsored sports, 4 in 1 additional non-MVC sport and 2 (Bradley and WSU) do not play in any additional sports. Is there a penalty for each MVC sport a school does NOT participate in when it comes to calculating the All-Sports Trophy? It would appear that a school participating in fewer sports could have an advantage if there was not a penalty. On the other hand, most of the schools playing in fewer MVC sports do not do well, (Creighton in particular), in the All-Sports standings indicating there may be some sort of penalty. Anybody know?

[The Mad Hatter]

Congrats to the Shocker's Men's and Women's programs. Any other season and their point total would have gotten the All-Sports Trophy.

Since many here are more knowledgable about the items I'm going to address, please correct any errors and answer questions.

There are 18 MVC sponsored sports. No school participates in all 18, but here is my break-down for each school: 17 sports - Ill St; 16 - Drake; 15 - UNI, SIU, WSU; 14 - Bradley, Evansville; 13 - MSU, In St, Creighton. 4 schools (including Ill St) play in 2 additional non-MVC sponsored sports, 4 in 1 additional non-MVC sport and 2 (Bradley and WSU) do not play in any additional sports. Is there a penalty for each MVC sport a school does NOT participate in when it comes to calculating the All-Sports Trophy? It would appear that a school participating in fewer sports could have an advantage if there was not a penalty. On the other hand, most of the schools playing in fewer MVC sports do not do well, (Creighton in particular), in the All-Sports standings indicating there may be some sort of penalty. Anybody know?

There is no penalty. However, there is not much disadvantage to playing more sports because a) it makes a bad showing in one sport hurt the overall average less and b) those that play fewer sports tend to play the most popular ones (where there is the possibility of finishing as low as 10), instead of smaller sports where there may only be 6 teams, which mitigates against the effects of finishing low in the standings.

I'm sure you could debate whether it is better to play in more sports and have a broader pool for your average and the advantage of less competitive sports or better to play in fewer sports and have resources more concentrated.

Given that the 2 best schools by far have been Illinois State (who plays the most MVC sports) and WSU (who plays a middling number of MVC sports), you would have to say that participating on the low end doesn't seem to help win all-sports trophies, but that could just mean that the teams that don't compete in many sports don't fund athletics as well as those who compete in a lot of sports.

[ShockTalk]

Thanks TMH. Just wanted to make a couple of comments.

1) Again, kudos to WSU, and the fans, for their long time support of Shocker athletics as a whole. I can't find my info on past All-Sports Trophy standings, but if memory serves, sCUm has almost never done well. It always amazes me how uppity and special they think they are, yet put most all their eggs in the men's basketball program basket so they can "look good and feel good".

2) A special :good: to the Redbirds for their 1st place finish this year, but even more so, for how well they have done long term with their athletic department. Illinois State has finished in the Top Five of the league’s all-sports race for 28-straight years, and the Redbirds have finished first, second, or third in 18 of the past 20 years. All this while supporting 19 total sports, including football and 17 MVC sponsored.

[Snapshot9]

It seems to me that under Schaus we started winning the All Sports trophy, and under Sexton, we are losing it.

BTW, we need to start looking for a new softball coach.

[lostshocker]

It seems to me that under Schaus we started winning the All Sports trophy, and under Sexton, we are losing it.

BTW, we need to start looking for a new softball coach.

they finished first in 2009 and second in 2010. 2008 is more shaus' and they finished third that year.

[The Mad Hatter]

It seems to me that under Schaus we started winning the All Sports trophy, and under Sexton, we are losing it.

BTW, we need to start looking for a new softball coach.

they finished first in 2009 and second in 2010. 2008 is more shaus' and they finished third that year.

Plus, this year we had the best every number for a second place team, so normally what we did this year would have won the trophy. Illinois State just did slightly better.

[ShockTalk]

It seems to me that under Schaus we started winning the All Sports trophy, and under Sexton, we are losing it.

BTW, we need to start looking for a new softball coach.

they finished first in 2009 and second in 2010. 2008 is more shaus' and they finished third that year.

Plus, this year we had the best every number for a second place team, so normally what we did this year would have won the trophy. Illinois State just did slightly better.

Yup! First time a team ended up better than 3.0 and didn't win the trophy. You can't really control what another school did. In this case, we did more than enough to have won any other time, the Redbirds just did more.