Kenny Manigault leaving

[pinstripers]

Every program loses a couple every year. Is WHY all that important?

[Snapshot9]

I suspect that we are going to wish he was around in the near future. I don't know what happened and its not that relevant to me as I can't do a thing about it.

I think Kenny may have been the most talented player we have seen here since Mo Evans. This is just my opinion! But all I could think the day we found out he was transferring was NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!.

It bothers me that guys like Durley get so many chances and some others don't! I know the situation was different when Marshall first arrived and we needed all the players we could get on a roster at that point but it kills me to see someone as talented as Kenny move on somewhere else. I suspect we will wish he hadn't in the near future!

I don't get the Kenny Manigault basketball player love fest. I think people confuse talent, ability and potential with performance. We want our coaching staff to recruit "performers." I could care less about throwing around the over-used terms like talent and ability...I want performers. "He isn't who we thought he was." Not verbatim from Jim Mora, but hopefully good enough to make my point. Kenny is a dime a dozen in all levels of college basketball...good kid, possesses the physique, speed, agility and jumping ability. But his basketball brain obviously doesn't possess what it takes to excel on this level. If he did, he would still be here. If before Larry Bird was...well...Larry Bird, and was faceless and we would see him run jump and dribble, would anybody give him a second thought. HE WAS A PERFORMER!!!

Yeah, I don't get the lovefest either. He was fairly fast, could run and jump, but lacked in several other areas, and that's why he sat on the bench most of the time. He couldn't perform, there's that word again, at the D-1 level like he was expected to. I wish him well in his future pursuits.

[WSUShokker]

I dont think there is any love fest going on. If there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt we would probably have a 10 page thread about it....Just a boring time of the year and no news to speak of. Sooo this horse is gonna get ridden I would guess until the next unsuspecting mundane thread that has a little meat on it gets started....until then my good man.

[Kung Wu]

I dont think there is any love fest going on. If there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt we would probably have a 10 page thread about it....Just a boring time of the year and no news to speak of. Sooo this horse is gonna get ridden I would guess until the next unsuspecting mundane thread that has a little meat on it gets started....until then my good man.

I just heard a rumor that: "there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt" ... "and" ... "is gonna get" ... "unsuspecting" ... "meat on it" .. "until good".

I didn't read the entire post that started the rumor, but that's a direct quote of what I was able to gather from it. Stay posted for updates.

[SubGod22]

I dont think there is any love fest going on. If there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt we would probably have a 10 page thread about it....Just a boring time of the year and no news to speak of. Sooo this horse is gonna get ridden I would guess until the next unsuspecting mundane thread that has a little meat on it gets started....until then my good man.

I just heard a rumor that: "there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt" ... "and" ... "is gonna get" ... "unsuspecting" ... "meat on it" .. "until good".

I didn't read the entire post that started the rumor, but that's a direct quote of what I was able to gather from it. Stay posted for updates.

[SHOXAAC]

I dont think there is any love fest going on. If there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt we would probably have a 10 page thread about it....Just a boring time of the year and no news to speak of. Sooo this horse is gonna get ridden I would guess until the next unsuspecting mundane thread that has a little meat on it gets started....until then my good man.

I just heard a rumor that: "there was a boil on Toure Murry's butt" ... "and" ... "is gonna get" ... "unsuspecting" ... "meat on it" .. "until good".

I didn't read the entire post that started the rumor, but that's a direct quote of what I was able to gather from it. Stay posted for updates.

I heard the "boil on Toure's butt" was caused by ridden the "Sooo horse" chasing "unsuspecting man meat," or something like that.

[IAmWu]

Every program loses a couple every year. Is WHY all that important?

We will wonder why because he will turn into a heck of a player no matter where he plays. I feel like he was somewhat caged at WSU

[ShockRef]

Speaking of players coming & going, SIU's Kevin Dillard has landed at UD.

It seems the Flyers are becoming the place to for ex-Valley players to finish up.

Drake's Josh Parker transferred last year & now Dillard.

Hard to argue these are both 'good gets' for UD. After losing both starters, this takes care of their guard situation for the next couple of years. 8)

[Good News]

Players like Kenny Manigault are not a "dime a dozen" at any level of college basketball, certainly not in the Valley. If anybody doesn't know who Tony Delk was, look him up. Kenny could be at least that good of a player, particularly on defense.

All of the relevant components - positive and negative - have been discussed here, but there's no doubt in my mind that he had a higher potential ceiling than anyone on the team. Even Garrett. Particularly on the defensive end, where he could have destroyed other opposing guards with tools (wingspan, quickness, and nose for the ball) that are difficult or impossible to teach.

If you're a scientific mind, think of the amplitude of a sine wave. Kenny had more amplitude (in both directions) on his performance wave.

If you're a banker, think of a fixed-floating interest rate swap and how volatility affects the pricing. Kenny was definitely more floating and volatile.

If you're a portfolio manager, think of a barbelled portfolio (Kenny) or a laddered portfolio (Demetric), each portfolio having the same duration, but how those portofolios react to interest rate shocks.

If you're a statistician, think of outcomes, degrees of freedom, and dispersion. Kenny had more.

If you're none of those, think of... I don't know... one of your kids making B's and C's and another one that makes A's and D's, but they have the same GPA. Or the old joke about the guy who has his head in the oven and his feet in the freezer (on average, he feels pretty good).

My point is - in a conference where one or two losses change the outcome of a season materially, and with games that are predominantly decided by one or two possessions, amplitude/volatility/degrees of freedom are not positive forces (or come at a potentially very high cost)

Coach Marshall made the decision based on the holes in his game and decided that the turnovers and shooting range weren't worth the extra steals, dunks, and footage for the highlight reels. I support him in that decision.

But I will still miss watching Kenny and think he could have been one of the most thrilling, productive, and destructive (to other teams) players that has put on a Shocker jersey since 1981.


For those wondering - yes I am extremely bored at work, and tired of thinking about tail risk as it relates to investment portfolios.


That is all.

[SHOXAAC]

Players like Kenny Manigault are not a "dime a dozen" at any level of college basketball, certainly not in the Valley. If anybody doesn't know who Tony Delk was, look him up. Kenny could be at least that good of a player, particularly on defense.

All of the relevant components - positive and negative - have been discussed here, but there's no doubt in my mind that he had a higher potential ceiling than anyone on the team. Even Garrett. Particularly on the defensive end, where he could have destroyed other opposing guards with tools (wingspan, quickness, and nose for the ball) that are difficult or impossible to teach.

If you're a scientific mind, think of the amplitude of a sine wave. Kenny had more amplitude (in both directions) on his performance wave.


If you're a banker, think of a fixed-floating interest rate swap and how volatility affects the pricing. Kenny was definitely more floating and volatile.

If you're a portfolio manager, think of a barbelled portfolio (Kenny) or a laddered portfolio (Demetric), each portfolio having the same duration, but how those portofolios react to interest rate shocks.

If you're a statistician, think of outcomes, degrees of freedom, and dispersion. Kenny had more.

If you're none of those, think of... I don't know... one of your kids making B's and C's and another one that makes A's and D's, but they have the same GPA. Or the old joke about the guy who has his head in the oven and his feet in the freezer (on average, he feels pretty good).

My point is - in a conference where one or two losses change the outcome of a season materially, and with games that are predominantly decided by one or two possessions, amplitude/volatility/degrees of freedom are not positive forces (or come at a potentially very high cost)

Coach Marshall made the decision based on the holes in his game and decided that the turnovers and shooting range weren't worth the extra steals, dunks, and footage for the highlight reels. I support him in that decision.

But I will still miss watching Kenny and think he could have been one of the most thrilling, productive, and destructive (to other teams) players that has put on a Shocker jersey since 1981.


For those wondering - yes I am extremely bored at work, and tired of thinking about tail risk as it relates to investment portfolios.



Wow...my already feable & underdeveloped brain just feel victim to a blah, blah, blah tornado; or maybe my thalamus failed to relay the information to my cerebrum, which by the way is intended to "lock out" irrelevant sensory input. Also, my neurons and neuroglia were caught in the electical synapse failing to attach itself to its appropriate binding receptor, therefore limiting my resting membrane potential, which at the end of the day makes me shake my head and simply say "Kenny, thanks for your contribution to Shocker basketball. Although brief, it was fun to look at your gifted physique and dream of your athletic potential. I hope you take all those gifts and apply them to performance at your next stop. :D



That is all.

[pogo]

Players like Kenny Manigault are not a "dime a dozen" at any level of college basketball, certainly not in the Valley. If anybody doesn't know who Tony Delk was, look him up. Kenny could be at least that good of a player, particularly on defense.

All of the relevant components - positive and negative - have been discussed here, but there's no doubt in my mind that he had a higher potential ceiling than anyone on the team. Even Garrett. Particularly on the defensive end, where he could have destroyed other opposing guards with tools (wingspan, quickness, and nose for the ball) that are difficult or impossible to teach.

If you're a scientific mind, think of the amplitude of a sine wave. Kenny had more amplitude (in both directions) on his performance wave.

If you're a banker, think of a fixed-floating interest rate swap and how volatility affects the pricing. Kenny was definitely more floating and volatile.

If you're a portfolio manager, think of a barbelled portfolio (Kenny) or a laddered portfolio (Demetric), each portfolio having the same duration, but how those portofolios react to interest rate shocks.

If you're a statistician, think of outcomes, degrees of freedom, and dispersion. Kenny had more.

If you're none of those, think of... I don't know... one of your kids making B's and C's and another one that makes A's and D's, but they have the same GPA. Or the old joke about the guy who has his head in the oven and his feet in the freezer (on average, he feels pretty good).

My point is - in a conference where one or two losses change the outcome of a season materially, and with games that are predominantly decided by one or two possessions, amplitude/volatility/degrees of freedom are not positive forces (or come at a potentially very high cost)

Coach Marshall made the decision based on the holes in his game and decided that the turnovers and shooting range weren't worth the extra steals, dunks, and footage for the highlight reels. I support him in that decision.

But I will still miss watching Kenny and think he could have been one of the most thrilling, productive, and destructive (to other teams) players that has put on a Shocker jersey since 1981.


For those wondering - yes I am extremely bored at work, and tired of thinking about tail risk as it relates to investment portfolios.


That is all.

I know what you mean....thinking about tail risk used to keep me up at nights when I was younger. :good:

[Aargh]

I was usually more concerned about tail risk the next morning.

[ISASO]

Did everyone forget that Manigault basically refused to work on his own? The coaching staff routinely asked, demanded and commanded Kenny to get in the gym and work on his game. I heard he rarely did so the staff called his bluff.

Marshall doesn't need the 'tail risk' of allowing a player who won't work to drag down the rest of the players who will put forth the effort expected from them.

[Good News]

Players like Kenny Manigault are not a "dime a dozen" at any level of college basketball, certainly not in the Valley. If anybody doesn't know who Tony Delk was, look him up. Kenny could be at least that good of a player, particularly on defense.

All of the relevant components - positive and negative - have been discussed here, but there's no doubt in my mind that he had a higher potential ceiling than anyone on the team. Even Garrett. Particularly on the defensive end, where he could have destroyed other opposing guards with tools (wingspan, quickness, and nose for the ball) that are difficult or impossible to teach.

If you're a scientific mind, think of the amplitude of a sine wave. Kenny had more amplitude (in both directions) on his performance wave.


If you're a banker, think of a fixed-floating interest rate swap and how volatility affects the pricing. Kenny was definitely more floating and volatile.

If you're a portfolio manager, think of a barbelled portfolio (Kenny) or a laddered portfolio (Demetric), each portfolio having the same duration, but how those portofolios react to interest rate shocks.

If you're a statistician, think of outcomes, degrees of freedom, and dispersion. Kenny had more.

If you're none of those, think of... I don't know... one of your kids making B's and C's and another one that makes A's and D's, but they have the same GPA. Or the old joke about the guy who has his head in the oven and his feet in the freezer (on average, he feels pretty good).

My point is - in a conference where one or two losses change the outcome of a season materially, and with games that are predominantly decided by one or two possessions, amplitude/volatility/degrees of freedom are not positive forces (or come at a potentially very high cost)

Coach Marshall made the decision based on the holes in his game and decided that the turnovers and shooting range weren't worth the extra steals, dunks, and footage for the highlight reels. I support him in that decision.

But I will still miss watching Kenny and think he could have been one of the most thrilling, productive, and destructive (to other teams) players that has put on a Shocker jersey since 1981.


For those wondering - yes I am extremely bored at work, and tired of thinking about tail risk as it relates to investment portfolios.



Wow...my already feable & underdeveloped brain just feel victim to a blah, blah, blah tornado; or maybe my thalamus failed to relay the information to my cerebrum, which by the way is intended to "lock out" irrelevant sensory input. Also, my neurons and neuroglia were caught in the electical synapse failing to attach itself to its appropriate binding receptor, therefore limiting my resting membrane potential, which at the end of the day makes me shake my head and simply say "Kenny, thanks for your contribution to Shocker basketball. Although brief, it was fun to look at your gifted physique and dream of your athletic potential. I hope you take all those gifts and apply them to performance at your next stop. :D



That is all.

As my old college dean, Mr. Wermer used to say:

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son. I'm not even sure that a psychiatrist or Jon Stewart could come up with a diagnosis on someone who sarcastically describes their mind as "feable".



God Bless the Internet, though - where all hat, no cattle cowboys get to say things that they wouldn't say in person.

If you don't like a post... skip it, dude. I've done it many times, including some of yours. I was bored and wanting to comment. I suppose I could have typed an unformatted paragraph of generalities about how Kenny should "perform" and his shots should go "in" and he shouldn't "turn the ball over" and we want players who can "play" and a;ldskfjas;ldkfjasldkfj Larry Bird aldkfj;alskdfj irrelevant aldkfja;ldskfja;ldskfj other stuff, but I didn't.

We'll miss him, even if it's a "him" that wasn't going to materialize. In other words, I agree with ISASO's assessment.

And for what it's worth... tail REWARD is what keeps you up at night, not tail RISK.

:D

[SHOXAAC]

Players like Kenny Manigault are not a "dime a dozen" at any level of college basketball, certainly not in the Valley. If anybody doesn't know who Tony Delk was, look him up. Kenny could be at least that good of a player, particularly on defense.

All of the relevant components - positive and negative - have been discussed here, but there's no doubt in my mind that he had a higher potential ceiling than anyone on the team. Even Garrett. Particularly on the defensive end, where he could have destroyed other opposing guards with tools (wingspan, quickness, and nose for the ball) that are difficult or impossible to teach.

If you're a scientific mind, think of the amplitude of a sine wave. Kenny had more amplitude (in both directions) on his performance wave.


If you're a banker, think of a fixed-floating interest rate swap and how volatility affects the pricing. Kenny was definitely more floating and volatile.

If you're a portfolio manager, think of a barbelled portfolio (Kenny) or a laddered portfolio (Demetric), each portfolio having the same duration, but how those portofolios react to interest rate shocks.

If you're a statistician, think of outcomes, degrees of freedom, and dispersion. Kenny had more.

If you're none of those, think of... I don't know... one of your kids making B's and C's and another one that makes A's and D's, but they have the same GPA. Or the old joke about the guy who has his head in the oven and his feet in the freezer (on average, he feels pretty good).

My point is - in a conference where one or two losses change the outcome of a season materially, and with games that are predominantly decided by one or two possessions, amplitude/volatility/degrees of freedom are not positive forces (or come at a potentially very high cost)

Coach Marshall made the decision based on the holes in his game and decided that the turnovers and shooting range weren't worth the extra steals, dunks, and footage for the highlight reels. I support him in that decision.

But I will still miss watching Kenny and think he could have been one of the most thrilling, productive, and destructive (to other teams) players that has put on a Shocker jersey since 1981.


For those wondering - yes I am extremely bored at work, and tired of thinking about tail risk as it relates to investment portfolios.



Wow...my already feable & underdeveloped brain just feel victim to a blah, blah, blah tornado; or maybe my thalamus failed to relay the information to my cerebrum, which by the way is intended to "lock out" irrelevant sensory input. Also, my neurons and neuroglia were caught in the electical synapse failing to attach itself to its appropriate binding receptor, therefore limiting my resting membrane potential, which at the end of the day makes me shake my head and simply say "Kenny, thanks for your contribution to Shocker basketball. Although brief, it was fun to look at your gifted physique and dream of your athletic potential. I hope you take all those gifts and apply them to performance at your next stop. :D



That is all.

As my old college dean, Mr. Wermer used to say:

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son. I'm not even sure that a psychiatrist or Jon Stewart could come up with a diagnosis on someone who sarcastically describes their mind as "feable".



God Bless the Internet, though - where all hat, no cattle cowboys get to say things that they wouldn't say in person.

If you don't like a post... skip it, dude. I've done it many times, including some of yours. I was bored and wanting to comment. I suppose I could have typed an unformatted paragraph of generalities about how Kenny should "perform" and his shots should go "in" and he shouldn't "turn the ball over" and we want players who can "play" and a;ldskfjas;ldkfjasldkfj Larry Bird aldkfj;alskdfj irrelevant aldkfja;ldskfja;ldskfj other stuff, but I didn't.

We'll miss him, even if it's a "him" that wasn't going to materialize. In other words, I agree with ISASO's assessment.

And for what it's worth... tail REWARD is what keeps you up at night, not tail RISK.

:D

"Lighten up Francis," it's only a message board. Enough of Stripes though, You seem to like Animal House. As Bluto said to Flounder, "I'm appointing you pledge representative to the social committee." This message board is part social, so those of us, including "feable me," should get over ourselves and have a little thicker skin. Sorry to &%$@*!% in your post toasties. Farewell and good luck to Kenny at his next stop.