Kenny Manigault leaving

[Txlen]

Another player whose prior school performance would not be indicative of his later level of play is Ekpe Udoh, of Baylor University. When he first went to Michigan, his stats would have not predicted his later success. Many people would have looked at his Michigan statistics and said, "We'll pass on him!"

He transferred to Baylor, sat out his transfer year and became a real force this past year for the team. His play during the tournament was incredible. If you predicted his future level of performance on his experience at Michigan, your assessment would have been way off.

As has been stated, some players just do not pan out at their first school. However, given time and a change of environment, many of them thrive. I hope this is the same thing that happens for Kenny.

[SpanglerFan316]

I agree that it is wrong to throw a player (or a coach) under the bus. Let's just say it didn't work out, ignore the blame game and wish departing players good luck for the futue.

[Zardoz]

I wish Kenny good luck wherever he ends up. I think he was looking at being 3rd or 4th on the depth chart at PG heading into next season. He currently doesn't have the range that HCGM seems to want from a PG and I think the TO problem was still there, tough to tell from the amount of PT he was getting. You have to earn your PT in practice and from the PT he saw last year he wasn't earning it.

I do still think he has a ton of upside and it is best for all involved that he goes some place he can find a better fit.

[Maggie]

I hated to see KM leave as I, like many people on this forum, could see the potential. Despite a rough first season, I still thought he could contribute down the road.

But in the end all that matters is that KM has to do what he thinks is best for him and he is in the best position to make that determination. Also, he must live with those consequences of his decisions good or bad.

I hope all goes well with his basketball career and beyond.

[Dan]

I wonder is there's any correlation between Coach Grant's departure and Kenny leaving. I too am in the camp of wishing Kenny would have stayed. I would have liked to see him reach his full potential here. Not everyone can be a starter for 4 years. Troy Mack is another good example.

[vbird53]

Another player whose prior school performance would not be indicative of his later level of play is Ekpe Udoh, of Baylor University. When he first went to Michigan, his stats would have not predicted his later success. Many people would have looked at his Michigan statistics and said, "We'll pass on him!"

He transferred to Baylor, sat out his transfer year and became a real force this past year for the team. His play during the tournament was incredible. If you predicted his future level of performance on his experience at Michigan, your assessment would have been way off.

As has been stated, some players just do not pan out at their first school. However, given time and a change of environment, many of them thrive. I hope this is the same thing that happens for Kenny.

^^^^^^^

Kyle Wilson

[Zardoz]

^^^^^^
Larry Bird Nuff said!

[ShockTalk]

IF the coaching staff made a mistake with KJ, it might have been that they didn't red-shirt him. They were in a bit of a pickle at PG, but that situation was to pass quickly.

On the other hand, MAYBE KJ made the mistake by not wanting to red-shirt.

We may never know if either was an issue, but I strongly feel KJ would have been a good contributor to the Shox had he red-shirted. I like him alot and hope everything works out well for him. He may very well go the Juco route, athough I'm not sure that's the best avenue for the kind of progression he seems to need. If he could go to a D1 school, be forced to sit out one year while expanding his talents and working on his weaknesses, he may find a good road to future success.

[Zardoz]

Another player whose prior school performance would not be indicative of his later level of play is Ekpe Udoh, of Baylor University. When he first went to Michigan, his stats would have not predicted his later success. Many people would have looked at his Michigan statistics and said, "We'll pass on him!"

He transferred to Baylor, sat out his transfer year and became a real force this past year for the team. His play during the tournament was incredible. If you predicted his future level of performance on his experience at Michigan, your assessment would have been way off.

As has been stated, some players just do not pan out at their first school. However, given time and a change of environment, many of them thrive. I hope this is the same thing that happens for Kenny.

I went with the Larry Bird as a easy one. You also have the X right here in Shocker Land. He had to play behind the Bookends and some others in his freshman season. He then asked AC and Cliff who was going to sit so he could start? Cliff must have taken him seriously cause he was gone the next year. X then lead the nation in rebounds, was 3 the next year and then lead the nation and rebounding his senior year.

I knew X was the real deal when I saw him grab 7 rebounds in 7 minutes. The positive of being my age a saw a lot of his games, the downside? I'm old enough to have seen them.

[Snapshot9]

Like it has been said, Basketball is NOT rocket science. Some players just do not take the 'Have to work on' list seriously. High dribble, TO's, timing, no shot is a pretty long list for a D-1 recruit to work on. Sometimes, moving on 'wakes them up', and they begine to work much harder, i.e., Adam Liberty, AJ Hawkins.

It is not real easy to change certain habits or style of play when you get to the college ranks.

We have one player on the team who really took his short comings seriously, worked on them hard, and has become a much much better player, Graham Hatch. He deserves credit for all of his hard work.

[moshock]

Maybe he WAS homesick. :yes:


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[WSUShokker]

Is Kenny to blame? Is the coaching staff to blame...sure probably a little for both sides to own up to. I guess if he had red shirted and still progressed the way he had that he still may have been gone.

This topic was debated thoroughly this year in other threads....I recall on Shockwaves with Sully being asked about every week .."Hows Kenny doing?" Is Kenny going to redshirt next year? Is Kenny going to transfer next year? All I ever saw from Sully was that he would be very suprised if KM transfered and that he was working very hard in practice and had a good attitude....Now maybe its just me but that sounds like a load of crap and the toting of the status quo or saying what your asked to say about the situation. Maybe Sully didnt want his negative opinions to damage any chance KM had of making progress....or maybe he wasnt able to interpret what he was seeing at practice at all. I find that hard to believe though....he seems like a pretty smart egg.....

[t7017s]

I suspect that we are going to wish he was around in the near future. I don't know what happened and its not that relevant to me as I can't do a thing about it.

I think Kenny may have been the most talented player we have seen here since Mo Evans. This is just my opinion! But all I could think the day we found out he was transferring was NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!.

It bothers me that guys like Durley get so many chances and some others don't! I know the situation was different when Marshall first arrived and we needed all the players we could get on a roster at that point but it kills me to see someone as talented as Kenny move on somewhere else. I suspect we will wish he hadn't in the near future!

[ShockTalk]

I suspect we will wish he hadn't in the near future!

Near future as in next year, maybe two? Are you indicating that Hatch, Tyler, Ben Smith, JRag, and/or DWill won't get the job done or that KJ would have beaten them out for playing time? Not to mention that Kyles can play the 3 and Toure both the 1 and 3. Graham is the only one of that group we'll lose after next year.

Hey, I hated to see KJ go, too. During several games, I posted that I wished KJ would get in, mostly from a defensive presence on top.

Nevertheless, I think more on here thought last summer that DWill might be a candidate for a red shirt more than KJ. Not only that, but the coaches saw fit to play DWill over 400 minutes and in all but 1 game, while KJ played just over 100 minutes and saw action in less than half the games. I'm going to assume there was a good reason for this. No doubt KJ had/has a lot of potential still ahead of him, but I also feel that our other players in those positions will also continue to improve.

Maybe the coaches over estimated KJ's D1 readiness. Maybe KJ over estimated. Whatever, I'm not going to look back on this as a mistake on anybody's part.

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[SHOXAAC]

I suspect that we are going to wish he was around in the near future. I don't know what happened and its not that relevant to me as I can't do a thing about it.

I think Kenny may have been the most talented player we have seen here since Mo Evans. This is just my opinion! But all I could think the day we found out he was transferring was NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!.

It bothers me that guys like Durley get so many chances and some others don't! I know the situation was different when Marshall first arrived and we needed all the players we could get on a roster at that point but it kills me to see someone as talented as Kenny move on somewhere else. I suspect we will wish he hadn't in the near future!

I don't get the Kenny Manigault basketball player love fest. I think people confuse talent, ability and potential with performance. We want our coaching staff to recruit "performers." I could care less about throwing around the over-used terms like talent and ability...I want performers. "He isn't who we thought he was." Not verbatim from Jim Mora, but hopefully good enough to make my point. Kenny is a dime a dozen in all levels of college basketball...good kid, possesses the physique, speed, agility and jumping ability. But his basketball brain obviously doesn't possess what it takes to excel on this level. If he did, he would still be here. If before Larry Bird was...well...Larry Bird, and was faceless and we would see him run jump and dribble, would anybody give him a second thought. HE WAS A PERFORMER!!!