bobby knight's idea

[InWuWeTrust]

how does everyone feel about coach knight's idea of trimming the number of schools in division one basketball?



at first i was against the idea, but the more i think about it, the more i like the idea of getting rid of the alcorn states of the world. if it were my decision, i would keep the top twelve conferences (power 6 and six more to match them). it would do a few things for us including:

1) there would be no need to expand the NCAA tournament
2) the quality of our non-conference games would improve, as there are fewer buy-out games.
3) we would be watching true division one basketball on a nightly basis.

[tw805]

If that happens, I fail to see what prevents this from turning into Division I being comprised of nothing but "power conferences," and WSU being relegated to I-AA status. Horrible idea.

[ShockTalk]

I like the General idea. :lol:

Actually, I proposed a similar idea back in the "RPI" thread which consisted of 14 conferences in a D1A division and allows for a certain number of games to be played between the D1A and D1B divisions for non-con purposes.

http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=16184&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[shockball]

If that happens, I fail to see what prevents this from turning into Division I being comprised of nothing but "power conferences," and WSU being relegated to I-AA status. Horrible idea.

This is what it will turn into.

[pinstripers]

I was gonna vote, but there was no "Bobby Knight is a jerk and a moron" button. What's up with that?

[Speed]

This might be a case of "watch what you wish for".

Any talk about an inferiority complex, or conference switch is all pretty much because this fan base doesn't want WSU t be of a D1 AA status. WSU has the potential to be much more tan wat it is or has been. That is why there was so much disappointment over the blown opportunities recently.

I'm not convinced that the Athletic Department has the political aggression to rally past the D1AA status.

As it is now, we have a chance to be something other than D1AA. Kind of like the "Dumb & Dumber" movie... "so you're telling me I have a chance".

[martymoose]

absolutely not, i like beating the hell out of the ark-monticello of the world

Just FYI, they are DII, not DI.

[Kung Wu]

If that happens, I fail to see what prevents this from turning into Division I being comprised of nothing but "power conferences," and WSU being relegated to I-AA status. Horrible idea.

Right, in America where politics rule the day, you are correct. And because of that it's a bad idea for schools like us that can have extended off years, but have a good run of years too.

Ideally it would be a system like many South American soccer conferences: The winner of D3 automatically moves up to D2 the following year, the winner of D2 automatically moves up to D1 and the LOSER of D1 moves down to to D2, and the D2 loser goes to D3. No politics, no gaming the system. Perform, get rewarded. Suck, get dropped from the premier leagues. Easy to understand, simple to execute, no politics, and no NCAA football championship syndrome.

[podunkboy]

If that happens, I fail to see what prevents this from turning into Division I being comprised of nothing but "power conferences," and WSU being relegated to I-AA status. Horrible idea.

Right, in America where politics rule the day, you are correct. And because of that it's a bad idea for schools like us that can have extended off years, but have a good run of years too.

Ideally it would be a system like many South American soccer conferences: The winner of D3 automatically moves up to D2 the following year, the winner of D2 automatically moves up to D1 and the LOSER of D1 moves down to to D2, and the D2 loser goes to D3. No politics, no gaming the system. Perform, get rewarded. Suck, get dropped from the premier leagues. Easy to understand, simple to execute, no politics, and no NCAA football championship syndrome.

I like this idea (always have wondered if it would work), and it would reward a "lower division" coach and team who performs well by promoting them into a higher class of competition (where they would likely fail, but it's nice to dream...)

[Kung Wu]

If that happens, I fail to see what prevents this from turning into Division I being comprised of nothing but "power conferences," and WSU being relegated to I-AA status. Horrible idea.

Right, in America where politics rule the day, you are correct. And because of that it's a bad idea for schools like us that can have extended off years, but have a good run of years too.

Ideally it would be a system like many South American soccer conferences: The winner of D3 automatically moves up to D2 the following year, the winner of D2 automatically moves up to D1 and the LOSER of D1 moves down to to D2, and the D2 loser goes to D3. No politics, no gaming the system. Perform, get rewarded. Suck, get dropped from the premier leagues. Easy to understand, simple to execute, no politics, and no NCAA football championship syndrome.

I like this idea (always have wondered if it would work), and it would reward a "lower division" coach and team who performs well by promoting them into a higher class of competition (where they would likely fail, but it's nice to dream...)

It works very well, and typically when the "champ" of each division moves up, they do pretty well in the next division (they don't generally fall back down right away).

[ABC]

If this happened, there is no question that programs in the MVC, and especially WSU, would remain Division 1.

I think this is a good idea.

There are more than 300 division 1 schools. And many of those, like the programs in the SWAC, have not business being Division 1.

[pogo]

The idea that some schools belong and others don't is the same criteria that the BcS uses to exclude "lesser schools". What would the criteria be in dividing or seperating the two divisions? What would keep the ncaa at some time in the future of again excluding "lesser" conferences? I would hate to be guilty of the same smugness that I hate about the BcS'ers now.

[ShockerFever]

No.

Stay away from anything football-related. Before you know it, we'll have basketball bowls.

[Shirley Schmidt]

We have a superior school and tradition, we should be higher than D-1, maybe S-1 for Superior schools only.

[Rosewood]

The idea that some schools belong and others don't is the same criteria that the BcS uses to exclude "lesser schools". What would the criteria be in dividing or seperating the two divisions? What would keep the ncaa at some time in the future of again excluding "lesser" conferences? I would hate to be guilty of the same smugness that I hate about the BcS'ers now.

Do it like the Premier league. The weakest conference each year gets bumped out of the highest division and the best division one the rung down gets to come up!