Don't read if you are in a good mood about tonight's game

[MTXE]

so in your opinion is there only one way to coach?

Your question is rather vague. Perhaps I can answer it this way: There are many factors that go into the job of being a coach. Whatever the coach did to prepare his players for the Sycamore game tonight was a near failure. It had more to do with their attitude than X's and O's.

Just a quick comment on X's and O's: It has become quite clear to me that HCGM is not averse to seeing his team jack the ball up from distance in great quantities regardless of whether or not the big men get comfortable. I've always thought that if you live by the three you will die by the three, but perhaps that isn't true. HCGM has won a lot more games than I. :)

[swish1]

so in your opinion is there only one way to coach?

Your question is rather vague. Perhaps I can answer it this way: There are many factors that go into the job of being a coach. Whatever the coach did to prepare his players for the Sycamore game tonight was a near failure. It had more to do with their attitude than X's and O's.

Just a quick comment on X's and O's: It has become quite clear to me that HCGM is not averse to seeing his team jack the ball up from distance in great quantities regardless of whether or not the big men get comfortable. I've always thought that if you live by the three you will die by the three, but perhaps that isn't true. HCGM has won a lot more games than I. :)

so basically you are saying that tonight was a near failure but in actuality it was a success? did he just barely prep them in terms of attitude of just barely in terms of x's and o's? and which is more important?

[MTXE]

Hey MTXE...have you seen the last few games played by the #1 team in the country?....I think we're ok.

I watched them nearly choke one away in Colorado if that is what you mean. :)

We are 20-5 - we are way beyond OK. This is heaven compared to the last two years. However, tonight's game was painful. I guess I could just be thankful but I don't feel thankful. I feel like we should have beaten Indiana State so badly tonight that they would have fallen into an abyss of despair and lost all their remaining games. Instead we have emboldened them with our laissez-faire attitude.

[swish1]

Hey MTXE...have you seen the last few games played by the #1 team in the country?....I think we're ok.

I watched them nearly choke one away in Colorado if that is what you mean. :)

We are 20-5 - we are way beyond OK. This is heaven compared to the last two years. However, tonight's game was painful. I guess I could just be thankful but I don't feel thankful. I feel like we should have beaten Indiana State so badly tonight that they would have fallen into an abyss of despair and lost all their remaining games. Instead we have emboldened them with our laissez-faire attitude.

so in other words we are playing a similar level of basketball as the supposed best team in the country right now...

[ShockerFever]

What MTXE/Cold fails to realize is that style points don't factor into win-loss and RPI conversions.

[MTXE]

so basically you are saying that tonight was a near failure but in actuality it was a success? did he just barely prep them in terms of attitude of just barely in terms of x's and o's? and which is more important?

Tonight was a success insomuch as it was a win -that is all. The coaching staff's strategy or methodology used in preparing the players to play against ISU was a failure. If not for the "great awakening" at the 8 minute mark of the second half, our post-season dreams would have taken a very dark turn.

X's and O's without effort is useless. Effort without X's and O's is also useless.

[H8KU]

I created a separate thread so those that don't appreciate my sometimes negative spin on things could avoid my thoughts.

People other than you have been critical of things, especially after circumstances like this. It's just that you often identify these problems as inadequate coaching. If that's the case, Coach Marshall should be credited for tonight's comeback as well.

When Gene Smithson talked to the team he talked about how he wanted his teams to make the opposition fear they ever got on the bus to come visiti Levitt Arena. He literally wanted to scare the heck out of them. I want the Shockers to have this same killer instinct. I want the Shockers to not only want to win, but to want to humiliate and even frighten the opposition. The Shockers should have been thinking feast tonight, instead they were thinking it was an opportunity to coast. Where is the competitive drive? Where is the thirst for "blood"?

I'm so sick of teams getting comfortable in our building I could vomit for days and I still wouldn't get it all out. Teams should never be comfortable in our building.

I'm not sure if comparing Gene Smithson to Gregg Marshall is fair, considering that the city league was much more fertile recruiting ground than it is today. Within the context of your comments, I was curious to compare what Gregg Marshall has done at home in this, his third season to Gene Smithson's third season in 80-81. So far we are undefeated at home, including wins over 2 ranked teams. Smithson lost 2 at home his third season (Tulsa and Creighton). Not to mention, a 6 point win at home to a mighty New Mexico State team that finished 10-17. And we all know what Gene and company were able to do that season in spite of these performances. ;-)

[ShockerFever]

Tonight was a success insomuch as it was a win -that is all.

Just a boring ol' win? That's all tonight was?

Oh shucks.. I was expecting more..

[swish1]

so basically you are saying that tonight was a near failure but in actuality it was a success? did he just barely prep them in terms of attitude of just barely in terms of x's and o's? and which is more important?

Tonight was a success insomuch as it was a win -that is all. The coaching staff's strategy or methodology used in preparing the players to play against ISU was a failure. If not for the "great awakening" at the 8 minute mark of the second half, our post-season dreams would have taken a very dark turn.

X's and O's without effort is useless. Effort without X's and O's is also useless.

so what brought about the "great awakening" at the 8 minute mark? poor coaching?

[ShockerFever]

H8KU just completely demoralized MTXE/Cold. :good:

[MTXE]

I created a separate thread so those that don't appreciate my sometimes negative spin on things could avoid my thoughts.

People other than you have been critical of things, especially after circumstances like this. It's just that you often identify these problems as inadequate coaching. If that's the case, Coach Marshall should be credited for tonight's comeback as well.

When Gene Smithson talked to the team he talked about how he wanted his teams to make the opposition fear they ever got on the bus to come visiti Levitt Arena. He literally wanted to scare the heck out of them. I want the Shockers to have this same killer instinct. I want the Shockers to not only want to win, but to want to humiliate and even frighten the opposition. The Shockers should have been thinking feast tonight, instead they were thinking it was an opportunity to coast. Where is the competitive drive? Where is the thirst for "blood"?

I'm so sick of teams getting comfortable in our building I could vomit for days and I still wouldn't get it all out. Teams should never be comfortable in our building.

I'm not sure if comparing Gene Smithson to Gregg Marshall is fair, considering that the city league was much more fertile recruiting ground than it is today. Within the context of your comments, I was curious to compare what the Gregg Marshall has done at home in this, his third season to Gene Smithson's third season in 80-81. So far we are undefeated at home, including wins over 2 ranked teams. Smithson lost 2 at home his third season (Tulsa and Creighton). Not to mention, a 6 point win at home to a mighty New Mexico State team that finished 10-17. And we all know what Gene and company were able to do that season in spite of these performances. ;-)

"People other than you have been critical of things, especially after circumstances like this. It's just that you often identify these problems as inadequate coaching. If that's the case, Coach Marshall should be credited for tonight's comeback as well."

We won the game. Whether it was due to late-game manipulations by management or simply a group of players deciding that they didn't want to lose, doesn't cover up the fact that everybody in the world (including all the odds-makers) had us winning handily in a game that was botched up.

I have a choice to blame 18-22 year old young men who are playing for free (in their minds) or a coaching staff making over a million dollars a year. I choose management. I've seen this team play hard. I am fairly certain that about 90% of the nightmare I experienced tonight was due to what was or wasn't in the minds of those young men. Maybe it's their parent's fault? I think not. :)

"I'm not sure if comparing Gene Smithson to Gregg Marshall is fair"

True, Gene Smithson played against much stiffer competition.

[swish1]

so basically you are saying that tonight was a near failure but in actuality it was a success? did he just barely prep them in terms of attitude of just barely in terms of x's and o's? and which is more important?

Tonight was a success insomuch as it was a win -that is all. The coaching staff's strategy or methodology used in preparing the players to play against ISU was a failure. If not for the "great awakening" at the 8 minute mark of the second half, our post-season dreams would have taken a very dark turn.

X's and O's without effort is useless. Effort without X's and O's is also useless.

so what brought about the "great awakening" at the 8 minute mark? poor coaching?

[MTXE]

What MTXE/Cold fails to realize is that style points don't factor into win-loss and RPI conversions.

That's good advice for someone who nearly melts down at some point in every ingame thread when things don't go swimmingly. :)

[swish1]

What MTXE/Cold fails to realize is that style points don't factor into win-loss and RPI conversions.

That's good advice for someone who nearly melts down at some point in every ingame thread when things don't go swimmingly. :)

well, as long as its not the coaches fault...

[MTXE]

H8KU just completely demoralized MTXE/Cold. :good:

Your incessant heckling gives me a chuckle. You're like that fan that screams at the refs all game long totally oblivious to the fact that they can't hear you. :)