Positional Possibilities

[MTXE]

Here is what we have to work with next year:

Blair, Gabe F 6-8 233
Durley, J.T. C/F 6-7 240
Ellis, Aaron F 6-9 216
Hamilton, Jerome F 6-7 223
Hatch, Graham G/F 6-4 203
Kyles, David G 6-4 183
Manigault, Kenny G 6-4 201
Murry, Toure' G 6-4 194
Orukpe, Ehimen C 7-0 220
Richardson, Tyler F 6-4 205
Stutz, Garrett C 7-0 248
Williams, Demetric G 6-2 171
**possible point guard**

We currently have 6 forwards and 6 guards scheduled to play next year. This year we only had 4 forwards. If we sign another point guard, either KM or DW will most likely transfer with KM being the most likely candidate based on his limited minutes so far this year.

With six big men next year (assuming GS doesn't redshirt), what are the chances that we will play three bigs at a time?

This would seem like a very nasty line:

Murry
Kyles
Ellis
Durley
Blair

Or what about:

Murry
Hatch
Durley
Orukpe
Blair

Of course in my scenario, Murry is playing point. If we don't sign a superstar Juco point we are going to have some issues next year unless Williams' has a light bulb turn on. Murry may not be the best point guard, but with the lineups above, all he would have to do is throw it near the rim! :)

It would appear that at this point, we will have two redshirts next year in KM and GS. If we sign another point guard we could have three redshirts or one transfer.

Thoughts?

[Dan]

we could redshirt one of our current freshmen point guards - why assume one will transfer?

[MTXE]

we could redshirt one of our current freshmen point guards - why assume one will transfer?

Well, Kenny and Demetric were supposed to be point guards. If we sign another point guard one will either have to adapt or transfer. I know for a fact that Kenny cannot become a shooting guard. Demetric would then be our backup point.

[shockar25]

we could redshirt one of our current freshmen point guards - why assume one will transfer?

Yep. KM would benefit greatly from a redshirt. He's got a lot of upside if he has time to develop and his attitude is right.

[MTXE]

Kenny certainly has the potential to develop into a slasher and tremendous defender, but his shooting woes will limit him. Freakishly long arms are great for defense and finishing around the rim, but I suspect they are difficult to control on a small frame during precision movements like shooting at distance.

[ShockTalk]

Kenny certainly has the potential to develop into a slasher and tremendous defender, but his shooting woes will limit him. Freakishly long arms are great for defense and finishing around the rim, but I suspect they are difficult to control on a small frame during precision movements like shooting at distance.

Isn't that what a SG is for. Having a good "pass first" PG that can take it to the hole or dish off is a great asset, particularly if he's fast and is a good defender. If he can develop a short to medium jumper, that would be sufficient. He would be a tough match-up for a shorter guard to handle. I think if we can get a quality Juco PG, a red-shirt would be good for both KJ and the Shox.

[WuDrWu]

This coach, at this program, is never going to have 2 point guards ever again if he has anything to say about it.

[ShockTalk]

This coach, at this program, is never going to have 2 point guards ever again if he has anything to say about it.

In the same class, don't you mean?

;-)

[pinstripers]

I think he means, have ONLY two point guards

[ShockTalk]

I think he means, have ONLY two point guards

If that's the case, I disagree. Our problem this year at PG was not having too many, but having to go to a freshman as a backup. Then the following year, possibly being saddled with a soph, or two, that can't handle the job.

[Snapshot9]

Isn't that what a SG is for. Having a good "pass first" PG that can take it to the hole or dish off is a great asset, particularly if he's fast and is a good defender. If he can develop a short to medium jumper, that would be sufficient. He would be a tough match-up for a shorter guard to handle. I think if we can get a quality Juco PG, a red-shirt would be good for both KJ and the Shox.

Not necessarily, I believe that a PG has to be able to shoot too. Answer this question, How many games would we have lost if not for Hannah's shooting?
Manigault, I believe, is much more of a project than what was advertised, and unless he develops a shot, he won't receive serious playing time until he is a Senior, if he sticks around that long.

[ShockCounselor]

I'm in the camp of always wanting a point guard that is a threat to hit the outside shot, but I also think having one that is an excellent defender, can distribute the ball and get to the rim is a great asset even if the outside shot is suspect. KM could bring an extra component with his size which is post play although that doesn't seem to be a very prominent part of Marshall's offense. I would like to see more guard play on the block. We have guards that often have the size/strength advantage with TM, DK and hopefully KM next year and we have 4/5 men that can open the block for the guards and still be a scoring threat from the perimeter.

[ShockTalk]

Isn't that what a SG is for. Having a good "pass first" PG that can take it to the hole or dish off is a great asset, particularly if he's fast and is a good defender. If he can develop a short to medium jumper, that would be sufficient. He would be a tough match-up for a shorter guard to handle. I think if we can get a quality Juco PG, a red-shirt would be good for both KJ and the Shox.

Not necessarily, I believe that a PG has to be able to shoot too. Answer this question, How many games would we have lost if not for Hannah's shooting?
Manigault, I believe, is much more of a project than what was advertised, and unless he develops a shot, he won't receive serious playing time until he is a Senior, if he sticks around that long.

Hannah has been part of a young, up and coming program these two years. He also been a leader and the only senior on this year's team. We are VERY fortunate to have him. Even though he'll have played here only two years, he will go down as one of the top PGs in are history. Just a tad bit unfair to compare a potentialy good PG with a proven great one.

I don't neccesarily disagree with the rest of your comments. I did say he would need to develop a mid-range jumper to add to his penetration. I do think, by the time KJ is a junior, especially a red-shirt junior, he could be a better defender, passer, and penetrator than Hannah. That wouldn't be bad if he could also get you 6-8 points a game.

[Aargh]

This would seem like a very nasty line:

Murry
Kyles
Ellis
Durley
Blair

Or what about:

Murry
Hatch
Durley
Orukpe
Blair

Of course in my scenario, Murry is playing point. If we don't sign a superstar Juco point we are going to have some issues next year unless Williams' has a light bulb turn on. Murry may not be the best point guard, but with the lineups above, all he would have to do is throw it near the rim!

If it was anywhere near that easy, then Manigault would be the perfect PG. Just tell him to dribble to the top of the key and shoot it.

[1972Shocker]

Glad to see this discussion. After reading the thread title I thought this might be an X-rated discussion.