Stutz..

[jdmee]

Then I'm glad we got the coach that brought him to WSU, than the one who wished he had him. Sounds like we got the better coach.

[sundevilshox]

Stutz

Stutz needs to take better care of the ball after a rebound. he often brings it down low and doesn't establish a base. He isn't strong enough to prevent defenders from knocking it out of hands.

would like to see him set the tone with an elbow shiver to the next guy that tries to pop it out

[MTXE]

Re: Stutz..

..sucks

For this year at least. I am hoping for a miracle in year three. When I saw the simple bounce pass fly through his arms all I could say was holy reflexes/coordination Batman. Stutz's brain and body are in low gear. I hope it is not permanent, but his lack of speed and ability to hold the darn ball close to his chest and protect it when he is in the post, is overshadowing his size. I would trade Stutz for another Blair in a heartbeat.

I'm frustrated. I'm ready to send Stutz over to Newman to break Bradley's records.

MT,
Until you know the whole story, especially in regards to his health, you need to keep your pie hole shut.

Comments such as this illustrate your ignorance both in terms of the player and the person.

I (as well as the vast majority of the Shocker fanbase) don't take the opportunity to give Garrett a big ol' hug after every game. Therefore my lack of a close relationship leaves me unaware of a girlfriend that recently broke his heart, a favorite uncle that died, or the condition of his various organs, joints, muscles, or bones. Most of that personal information is reserved for the coaching staff, family and groupies.

Garrett is playing for a Division I school in a 'major' media market. Hundreds of thousands know his name in Wichita and he is fully aware that criticisms are handed out as freely as compliments on this stage (so he doesn't need you as his big online brother). He also knows that he isn't getting it done as per his standards ("We will be the best team in Kansas by my Sophomore year" -Garrett Stutz).

Whether his problems are due to genetic limitations, psychological or emotional disadvantages, or injuries, he will be judged the same as any other player that has gone through a career at this level of basketball. He has four years to accumulate a certain number of points, rebounds, blocks, etc. to keep from being called a recruiting failure.

When it's all said and done, a fan makes little distinction between a 'high-potential' injurious player or a low-producing healthy player. They both become wastes in the grand scheme of things.

We compete against 300+ Division I schools for national recognition. We don't have the luxury to make exceptions for 'personal' reasons. We need players who can get it done regardless of how much they hurt. There are dozens of schools that have rosters full of these very kinds of players.

[ShockCounselor]

"I'm frustrated. I'm ready to send Stutz over to Newman to break Bradley's records."

I too, would like to see a bit more from Stutz but .....

"he will be judged the same as any other player that has gone through a career at this level of basketball. He has four years to accumulate a certain number of points, rebounds, blocks, etc. to keep from being called a recruiting failure."

So let's give him the four year career before passing judgment. I would just like to suggest a bit more patience MTXE. Big men take longer to develop and he ... like others ... is barely one year removed from high school ball and is still a 19 year old boy.

That said, rational discussion of his abilities, skill level, and effort ... all areas we can each see on the court and all areas we will each have our individual perception of .... is always welcome.

[jdmee]

Durley's sophomore year

.376 points per minute played
.187 rebounds per minute played.
.491 A/TO

Stutz sophomore year

.435 points per minute.
.267 rebounds per minute.
.454 A/TO

[MTXE]

And you're the one that calls other people obsessed with Diana and Creighton..

An obsession usually comes with a negative connotation. I can comfortably compliment and even use Dana's quotes without demeaning him. I don't have an obsession, I have a healthy respect. Even HCGM calls him the 'dean of the Valley'.

Dana took a severely under-powered team and kept it close in Wichita and beat us in Omaha. As unsettling as that reality may be, it deserves some respect. It's not like he has done this to us once or twice. Nineteen blasted times.

[MTXE]

hes already better than ellis.

I don't believe HCGM or Dana would agree with you on that.

stutz's stats would disagree with you...

Separate the Pillsbury Parade stats from the MVC stats. It takes a little more basketball knowledge than being able to read a score card to understand what Mr. Ellis brings to the game. Dana Altman clearly understands what #0 brings to the game.

Then you also understand what a seven footer brings to the game. Stutz makes for a well known presence in the paint and will alter shots. Oh the joys of being 7 ft tall.

No I don't understand what 'a' seven footer brings to the game.

David Kyles rebounds at greater elevations than Stutz.

[MTXE]

"I'm frustrated. I'm ready to send Stutz over to Newman to break Bradley's records."

I too, would like to see a bit more from Stutz but .....

"he will be judged the same as any other player that has gone through a career at this level of basketball. He has four years to accumulate a certain number of points, rebounds, blocks, etc. to keep from being called a recruiting failure."

So let's give him the four year career before passing judgment. I would just like to suggest a bit more patience MTXE. Big men take longer to develop and he ... like others ... is barely one year removed from high school ball and is still a 19 year old boy.

That said, rational discussion of his abilities, skill level, and effort ... all areas we can each see on the court and all areas we will each have our individual perception of .... is always welcome.

Fair points. But in proposing that we give him the four year career before passing judgment, are you saying that we should never say anything critical until after he is gone? I hope not. What are message boards for if you can't get on them after a loss and puke your passionate guts out?

If those that are offended by my statements would read my posts more carefully, they would notice that I have NEVER given up on Stutz; just that I have gotten more and more somber on his 'ceiling'. I'm not looking for extra credit or brownie points for being the cheeriest person on the board. I call it like I see it and complain when it suits me. I also offer ample praise when I see that it is deserved (See: Gabe Blair, JT Durley, Toure' Murry, David Kyles, Clevin Hannah, Graham Hatch, Aaron Ellis, AND HCGM recruiting comments).

[shockar25]

I will say it again. Stutz is progressing just fine. He is showing improvement from year to year. What his level will be by his senior year remains to be seen, but I'm confident barring major injury he will be a very solid player. NBA draft pick? Euro leagues player? None of the above? Who knows right now. Coach sure sees a lot in him, and he knows far more than most of us about potential and how to develop it.

The facts are, WSU doesn't often get to land players that are already fully 'developed' when they get here, or even by their sophomore year. Arguably the best 'young' player we have on the team is Toure Murry, and while he is decidedly further along than Stutz, just because Stutz doesn't develop at the speed that Toure (or any other player) does, does NOT make him a recruiting 'bust' or failure.

I saw some nice defensive play by Garrett on Saturday, and I think he continues to improve that at a steady rate. His offense is coming along at a slower pace, but the bottom line is he's still doing a fine job as a 2nd or 3rd string bench player at this point and he is serving his appropriate role just fine. The beauty of it is, he's not usually required to do more than he can at this point. Last year he was being expected to produce more than he could because of our lack of depth. This year is different.

As with every player, the expectations increase with each year, and surely next year Garrett will be expected to step up even more, and then of course more the following year.

I do believe a redshirt would help him next year, but whether that's realistic is hard to tell at this point.

[MTXE]

A think a red-shirt could be VERY helpful. One thing that is glaringly obvious about GS is his need for more physical development and/or coordination. I'm holding tight to the theory that late-blooming big men have a very difficult time getting their big bodies to fall in line. Lots of weight-training and coordination exercises without the worry of being prepared for a game the next day would definitely not hurt.

Perhaps a red-shirt year in the middle of his career could be much more beneficial than having one from the start. Most players probably wouldn't agree to a mid-career redshirt though. I don't think GS would agree to one unless he was severely banged up.

[pinstripers]

5 years of free education as opposed to 4 years, might appeal to many students.

[ShockCounselor]

"Fair points. But in proposing that we give him the four year career before passing judgment, are you saying that we should never say anything critical until after he is gone? I hope not."

Absolutely not ... this would be a boring forum. But ... you began this thread with the words Stutz "sucks" and ended your first post with the suggestion that he should find a collegiate home across town. That sure sounded like you were giving up on him to me. I think I need to simply develop an appreciation for your passionate, although occasionally over the top dialogue.

[MTXE]

"Fair points. But in proposing that we give him the four year career before passing judgment, are you saying that we should never say anything critical until after he is gone? I hope not."

Absolutely not ... this would be a boring forum. But ... you began this thread with the words Stutz "sucks" and ended your first post with the suggestion that he should find a collegiate home across town. That sure sounded like you were giving up on him to me. I think I need to simply develop an appreciation for your passionate, although occasionally over the top dialogue.

"you began this thread with the words Stutz "sucks" and ended your first post with the suggestion that he should find a collegiate home across town. That sure sounded like you were giving up on him to me."

You were certainly taught in college to read more than the first and last few words of a paragraph in order to grasp the writer's full meaning weren't you? ;)

I said: '..sucks

For this year at least. I am hoping for a miracle in year three.' Then I tossed in another 'I hope it is not permanent'.

I'm down but I haven't given up. I'm just frustrated. I like everybody else want to see GS dominate from the jump to the last buzzer.

"I think I need to simply develop an appreciation for your passionate, although occasionally over the top dialogue."

Ha ha Yes! You will have more fun that way! I am on your team. :)

[MTXE]

Re: Stutz

Stutz needs to take better care of the ball after a rebound. he often brings it down low and doesn't establish a base. He isn't strong enough to prevent defenders from knocking it out of hands.

would like to see him set the tone with an elbow shiver to the next guy that tries to pop it out

"would like to see him set the tone with an elbow shiver to the next guy that tries to pop it out"

I've thought of that EXACT same thing. Have you ever seen Aaron Ellis bring down a hotly contested rebound? He completely wraps the ball up with arms over the top and bottom and hunches over. Then he explodes up swinging back and forth wildly. While he certainly doesn't do this on every rebound, he has an impressive arsenal of 'discouraging maneuvers' when those that might want to take HIS rebound make their intentions known. The other night Ellis pulled down just such a monster. There was NO WAY the ball was getting stripped without fingers (opponents) getting broken.

On a parallel topic: When Stutz makes his post move, he needs to keep the ball in tight to his chest right as he begins his spin. And he needs to move it around more violently when he is initiating his post move. Is the ball really that heavy Garrett? Have you ever seen Durley before he initiates his post move in traffic? He is pumping that ball in and out as violently as a lumber jack yanks on a chain saw cord.

SPEED SPEED SPEED (the name of the game)

[im4wsu]

. Even HCGM calls him the 'dean of the Valley'.

Dean = longest tenure

Has nothing to do with respect nor does it imply effectiveness.