Official Texas Tech Game Thread

[im4wsu]

Stutz had a really good touch on his freethrows up until that moment, so Gregg was just going with the hot hand.

He made both that he substituted for Murry, so I don't understand the "until that moment". For the season he is shooting 78%; Hatch 80%, not much to choose from.

How is "up until that moment" confusing at all to you?

You have the period in time that precedes the moment where Gregg elected to have Stutz shoot Toure's free throws. In that period of time, Stutz was stroking his free throws. Ergo, up until that moment, Stutz was a hot hand. Gregg did not have the foresight to know what would happen after that moment, therefore he could only consider what happened until that moment.

I didn't attend WSU, but do know what "until" means. The sentence structure was technically correct for your meaning, but also could easily be read to imply that something changed after that "moment". I thought you were trying to justify Gregg's decision because something turned out wrong. My fault.

However, your justification probably needs some help. You only state that he "had a really good touch on his free throws", although "Up until that moment", Garrett was 5 of 7 from the line--he made the final 2 of 2 to finish 7 of 9. So he looked a little better, perhaps, than the results. We had others without a miss, however.

[Ashockalypse]

Dk did not foul the guy on the three. That was just a crappy call.

[Ed Harley]

Was a crappy call but was also called the same crappy way all night. We have had our share of bad refs but they are usually consistentely bad and patterns tend to develop. ---That being said, I have no idea where the blocking call on Garret's flop came from (that's why I said "usually" above).

If the ump is giving the pitcher an extra 6 inches off the outside corner all night, the hitter doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when he takes strike 3 in the 9th on a pitch 6 inches off the plate. Pay attention and make an adjustment. Crappy call but a predictable one none-the-less.

[1979Shocker]

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-bas...free-throw-pct

Just looking through the conferences, it look like the MVC is at or near the top in FT%. Only UNI and Bradley are less than 70%.

[ShockerFever]

A very good win for the Shocks tonight. It would have been a great win if TTU didn't get so close at the end. My feeling leaving Koch was relief instead of elation. Don't get me wrong - I love being relieved. I also think that TTU clock/score management demonstration will be a learning experience for coaches and players alike and might help this team before season's end.

Still grinnin', --'85.

The thing is we did EVERYTHING right and EVERYTHING we possibly could in the final minute to preserve the victory, minus the DK 4-point play foul. We hit every free throw. That's all that we could do. Tech got ridiculously hot and hit some very difficult 3's to end the game. I would have liked the game to be about a 7 or 8 point win. It appeared that was gonna happen until they went ape-crazy on us. I really feel we did good in that final stretch.

[ShockerFever]

A blurb from Andy Katz:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/561/katzs-final-thoughts-on-a-wild-saturday

About halfway down..

From Andy Katz: "[Clevin Hannah] was suspended for the only Shocker loss, to Pitt in Kansas City in the CBE semifinals. Wonder what would have happened if he'd played?" Don't we all, Andy, don't we all.

A very good win for the Shocks tonight. It would have been a great win if TTU didn't get so close at the end. My feeling leaving Koch was relief instead of elation. Don't get me wrong - I love being relieved. I also think that TTU clock/score management demonstration will be a learning experience for coaches and players alike and might help this team before season's end.

Still grinnin', --'85.

What was West Virginia doing going to Cleveland State? Not sure, but at least the Mountaineers got out with a two-point win to preserve a potential undefeated showdown at Purdue on Jan. 1.

I found this to be Very interesting ,, What was W Va doing there ?? hell we Were there and put a wuppin on Cleveland. nice to see # 6 almost lose in a venue we dominated :goshocks:

Another great coach who has balls and isn't afraid about going onto the road at a mid-major. We need more coaches like these.

[ShockerFever]

Dk did not foul the guy on the three. That was just a crappy call.

I think there was some contact made. Then again, it was contact generated by the shooter which I think is garbage, but contact none the less.

The real crappy part of the call was that they called it a freaking 3 pointer, which clearly it wasn't.

[Ed Harley]

DK's mistake was leaving his feet on the shot fake. Clevin did that to lots of dudes early in the year last year but he usually just knocked down the FT's. Got to give their guy credit for making the bucket on a circus shot.

I was at the game and couldn't see his feet. Too bad the refs didn't either.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Ricky - - - "David plays smarter. PJ could be a turnover machine at times."

Pretty sure DK's two consecutive, quick fouls (and the resulting 6 points) with under a minute were what kept TT in the game. Not heady ball, especially if you had been paying attention to their PG's style of play.

PJ could be a turnover machine but he was also very good at anticipating on D. I wouldn't give the basketball IQ nod to DK at this point. I must say that DK's basketball savvy has improved greatly since last year [especially his shot selection]; however, the only thing you absolutely CANNOT do in that situation was foul. DK did it twice.

The good news is that DK will get to watch the tape with HCGM and both will undoubtedly make sure it doesn't happen again.

My comments were based upon on balance.

Any player can have brain cramps.

[Ed Harley]

Ricky,

On balance, I still give the nod to PJ. I may agree with you in a couple years. As I stated before, DK's game has improved tremendously from last year. Love DK's assist to TO ratio and this is probably the best indicator of his BB IQ improvement.

The first foul = brain cramp. The second one coming so soon after the 1st, worse than just brain cramp. Like I said before, I bet it doesn't ever happen again. Lesson learned and we still got the W!

I pretty much agree with everything else you post so I'm sure I'll get there . . .

[The Mad Hatter]

DK's mistake was leaving his feet on the shot fake. Clevin did that to lots of dudes early in the year last year but he usually just knocked down the FT's. Got to give their guy credit for making the bucket on a circus shot.

I was at the game and couldn't see his feet. Too bad the refs didn't either.

I could buy the argument that he left his feet, except that the contact didn't happen on him going for the shot fake. David left his feet, landed next to him, then the guy took a step forward and jumped into David.

If the guy had jumped straight into David while David was coming down from biting on the shot fake, the call would have been legit, but I don't think he would have been able to get the shot off. The reason that he got a shot off was by avoiding having David land on him and then initiating contact and shooting.

Not that it matters since we won, but that's my take. Nonetheless, David shouldn't be biting hard on the shot fake in that situation.