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[tropicalshox]

Can't blame you for feeling that way tw805.

[shockball]

They can kiss your ass after they suck my Irish Catholic potato.

[BOBB]

For my Catholic friends:

You know why you don't take a Mormon fishing?
They'll drink all your beer.

You know how to stop a Mormon from drinking your beer on a fishing trip?
Invite another Mormon.

I heard that from an LDS buddy. Thought it was funny. Let's not wear our religion our sleeves fellas. Most all of us worship the God of Abraham. There's even room for those of us who don't.

[shocklight]

Since we have now begun the Christmas season, here's to all of you (including the Catholic haters), Merry Christmas and Peace and good will toward all men!

Remember he is the reason for the season.

May God bless us all!

[WuDrWu]

Since we have now begun the Christmas season, here's to all of you (including the Catholic haters), Merry Christmas and Peace and good will toward all men!

Remember He is the reason for the season.

May God bless us all!

Fixed. :good:

[_kai_]

All of these reasons, and the only one that is relevant to me is "I hate Creighton, because its Creighton."

I will trash talk, and cheer against Creighton when ever they play. No matter if they are 20-3 or 3-20.

Kindly remove your XXL cotton with lace granny panties from your female genitalia, and take the criticism like a man.

[WuDrWu]

All of these reasons, and the only one that is relevant to me is "I hate Creighton, because its Creighton."

I will trash talk, and cheer against Creighton when ever they play. No matter if they are 20-3 or 3-20.

Kindly remove your XXL cotton with lace granny panties from your female genitalia, and take the criticism like a man.

Well done sir. Clear, direct and to the point. Simply outstanding. :good:

[ShockBand]

All of these reasons, and the only one that is relevant to me is "I hate Creighton, because its Creighton."

I will trash talk, and cheer against Creighton when ever they play. No matter if they are 20-3 or 3-20.

Kindly remove your XXL cotton with lace granny panties from your female genitalia, and take the criticism like a man.

You just made Diet Dr Pepper come out my nose! It stung a bit, but was worth it.

[MTXE]

I dont see how anyone cannot understand the "Not a Rivalry" shtick.

I think its a pretty fair assumption that this fanbase sees Creighton as a rivalry.

Creighton's disdain of WSU isn't imagined, it's quite real. From well-referenced occurences of denying that we are "rivals" to referring to the Creighton@WSU game as "Your Super Bowl," the message is quite unambiguous.

My point is that this behavior is normative in a sports fandom atmosphere. There is no need to change it.

All of these reasons, and the only one that is relevant to me is "I hate Creighton, because its Creighton."

I will trash talk, and cheer against Creighton when ever they play. No matter if they are 20-3 or 3-20.

It's saddens me so few were able to comprehend the logic let alone intention of my post...

I must also assume that the emotional responses are merely another symptom of the insecurity that has infected our fanbase for some time now.

While I have cause to rebuke those that chose to manifest their insecurities in nonconstructive ways (i.e. attack me personally), I will instead attempt to further clarify my point of view.

Are we rivals?

A few definitions: a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another's preeminence or superiority; One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect. As you can see by a deeper understanding of the meaning, one competitor is often looked at as superior and the other inferior but not by much.

Another popular definition of the word rival connotes a nearly equal relationship, with perhaps each opponent obtaining victory over the other often enough that superiority cannot be established -at least not for any length of time. This is what I would call the ideal rivalry.

Then you've got a loose, more urban definition of rivalry that roots itself in something less competitive and something more emotional -like hatred. Now hatred of course can be present in the previous definitions, but it is usually also accompanied with respect.

Notice the following scenarios:

K-State thinks they are rivals with KU in basketball. Since the inception of the Big 12 they are 2-30. From a purely win-loss aspect, it wouldn't seem to be the case at all looking at the first two definitional examples. However, using the third definition, we can explain how K-State and KU fans consider themselves rivals. There is strong dislike for each other based upon aspects other than what happens on the court.

Now let's look at the Army - Navy all-time football win-loss record: 53-49. This would be a very excellent example of the second definition of rivalry.

When we look at Creighton versus Wichita State we cannot use the first or second definition because of one glaring fact: we are 5-27 in our last 32 games. We can however use the third definition of rivalry to identify our mutual hatred for one another. I question though the merits of even bringing up the term rivalry (or using it in the context of mockery??) in the first place. It is a weak and potentially embarrassing position due to our vulnerable record and the ease by which a Creighton fan can throw it in our face.

If a Shocker fan wants to inflict some measure of discomfort on a Creighton fan, perhaps a better strategy would be to focus on Creighton's actual weaknesses relative to us.

For example:

1) They play in a rented gym that Nebraska also plays in from time to time.

2) The size of our hardcore fanbase relative to theirs in not comparable.

3) Their coach is Mr. one and out in the NCAA tourney. We have a recent Sweet 16. But then again we don't have that coach anymore either.. :(

4) Our depth of athletes and recruiting.

5) Their recent embarrassing losses.

6) Our private facilities.

7) Our tradition, our game-time atmosphere etc. etc.

There are many tangibles and intangibles that cause Creighton fans to be jealous of us, their win-loss record isn't one of them. Since win-loss records are fundamental to most "rivalries" in sports, we should avoid those discussions in our trash talking. It simply doesn't make sense. If you want to go into battle with an opponent, don't carry a double-edged sword.

Hopefully we can sweep Creighton this year as it is way overdue that we beat them at their home.

[McShocker]

I dont see how anyone cannot understand the "Not a Rivalry" shtick.

I think its a pretty fair assumption that this fanbase sees Creighton as a rivalry.

Creighton's disdain of WSU isn't imagined, it's quite real. From well-referenced occurences of denying that we are "rivals" to referring to the Creighton@WSU game as "Your Super Bowl," the message is quite unambiguous.

My point is that this behavior is normative in a sports fandom atmosphere. There is no need to change it.

All of these reasons, and the only one that is relevant to me is "I hate Creighton, because its Creighton."

I will trash talk, and cheer against Creighton when ever they play. No matter if they are 20-3 or 3-20.

It's saddens me so few were able to comprehend the logic let alone intention of my post...

I must also assume that the emotional responses are merely another symptom of the insecurity that has infected our fanbase for some time now.

While I have cause to rebuke those that chose to manifest their insecurities in nonconstructive ways (i.e. attack me personally), I will instead attempt to further clarify my point of view.

Are we rivals?

A few definitions: a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another's preeminence or superiority; One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect. As you can see by a deeper understanding of the meaning, one competitor is often looked at as superior and the other inferior but not by much.

Another popular definition of the word rival connotes a nearly equal relationship, with perhaps each opponent obtaining victory over the other often enough that superiority cannot be established -at least not for any length of time. This is what I would call the ideal rivalry.

Then you've got a loose, more urban definition of rivalry that roots itself in something less competitive and something more emotional -like hatred. Now hatred of course can be present in the previous definitions, but it is usually also accompanied with respect.

Notice the following scenarios:

K-State thinks they are rivals with KU in basketball. Since the inception of the Big 12 they are 2-30. From a purely win-loss aspect, it wouldn't seem to be the case at all looking at the first two definitional examples. However, using the third definition, we can explain how K-State and KU fans consider themselves rivals. There is strong dislike for each other based upon aspects other than what happens on the court.

Now let's look at the Army - Navy all-time football win-loss record: 53-49. This would be a very excellent example of the second definition of rivalry.

When we look at Creighton versus Wichita State we cannot use the first or second definition because of one glaring fact: we are 5-27 in our last 32 games. We can however use the third definition of rivalry to identify our mutual hatred for one another. I question though the merits of even bringing up the term rivalry (or using it in the context of mockery??) in the first place. It is a weak and potentially embarrassing position due to our vulnerable record and the ease by which a Creighton fan can throw it in our face.

If a Shocker fan wants to inflict some measure of discomfort on a Creighton fan, perhaps a better strategy would be to focus on Creighton's actual weaknesses relative to us.

For example:

1) They play in a rented gym that Nebraska also plays in from time to time.

2) The size of our hardcore fanbase relative to theirs in not comparable.

3) Their coach is Mr. one and out in the NCAA tourney. We have a recent Sweet 16. But then again we don't have that coach anymore either.. :(

4) Our depth of athletes and recruiting.

5) Their recent embarrassing losses.

6) Our private facilities.

7) Our tradition, our game-time atmosphere etc. etc.

There are many tangibles and intangibles that cause Creighton fans to be jealous of us, their win-loss record isn't one of them. Since win-loss records are fundamental to most "rivalries" in sports, we should avoid those discussions in our trash talking. It simply doesn't make sense. If you want to go into battle with an opponent, don't carry a double-edged sword.

Hopefully we can sweep Creighton this year as it is way overdue that we beat them at their home.

I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't get it. It doesn't matter what your intent or logic were. The only thing that really matters is that the vast majority of this board doesn't give a s*** about your opinion. Telling a fan of a sports team that he or she is wrong about the way they want to be a fan is never going to go over very well. Hate to burst your self-righteous bubble.

[ShockerGorilla]

So a team like the Cleveland Browns, who has sucked forever, is not allowed to have a rivalry with any other team, because their win-loss record with that team is not close to even? I beg to differ, Mr. BJ!

[MTXE]

So a team like the Cleveland Browns, who has sucked forever, is not allowed to have a rivalry with any other team, because their win-loss record with that team is not close to even? I beg to differ, Mr. BJ!

What does "having a rivalry" mean to you?

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I get your point. Yeah in recent years Creighton has definitely had our number. So it would definitely appear the "rivalry" issue is more with us wanting to beat them.

That doesnt change the fact of information that I put forth earlier. Or even Kai's assessment of hating them for the sake of hating them. Hell the Chiefs for the longest time owned the Raiders every year but that was still considered a "must win" So you're "scoreboard" annotation is very true but at the same time depending on the person doesnt really mean nothing

[blackandgold]

I dont see how anyone cannot understand the "Not a Rivalry" shtick.

I think its a pretty fair assumption that this fanbase sees Creighton as a rivalry.

Creighton's disdain of WSU isn't imagined, it's quite real. From well-referenced occurences of denying that we are "rivals" to referring to the Creighton@WSU game as "Your Super Bowl," the message is quite unambiguous.

My point is that this behavior is normative in a sports fandom atmosphere. There is no need to change it.

All of these reasons, and the only one that is relevant to me is "I hate Creighton, because its Creighton."

I will trash talk, and cheer against Creighton when ever they play. No matter if they are 20-3 or 3-20.

It's saddens me so few were able to comprehend the logic let alone intention of my post...

I must also assume that the emotional responses are merely another symptom of the insecurity that has infected our fanbase for some time now.

While I have cause to rebuke those that chose to manifest their insecurities in nonconstructive ways (i.e. attack me personally), I will instead attempt to further clarify my point of view.

Are we rivals?

A few definitions: a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another's preeminence or superiority; One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect. As you can see by a deeper understanding of the meaning, one competitor is often looked at as superior and the other inferior but not by much.

Another popular definition of the word rival connotes a nearly equal relationship, with perhaps each opponent obtaining victory over the other often enough that superiority cannot be established -at least not for any length of time. This is what I would call the ideal rivalry.

Then you've got a loose, more urban definition of rivalry that roots itself in something less competitive and something more emotional -like hatred. Now hatred of course can be present in the previous definitions, but it is usually also accompanied with respect.

Notice the following scenarios:

K-State thinks they are rivals with KU in basketball. Since the inception of the Big 12 they are 2-30. From a purely win-loss aspect, it wouldn't seem to be the case at all looking at the first two definitional examples. However, using the third definition, we can explain how K-State and KU fans consider themselves rivals. There is strong dislike for each other based upon aspects other than what happens on the court.

Now let's look at the Army - Navy all-time football win-loss record: 53-49. This would be a very excellent example of the second definition of rivalry.

When we look at Creighton versus Wichita State we cannot use the first or second definition because of one glaring fact: we are 5-27 in our last 32 games. We can however use the third definition of rivalry to identify our mutual hatred for one another. I question though the merits of even bringing up the term rivalry (or using it in the context of mockery??) in the first place. It is a weak and potentially embarrassing position due to our vulnerable record and the ease by which a Creighton fan can throw it in our face.

If a Shocker fan wants to inflict some measure of discomfort on a Creighton fan, perhaps a better strategy would be to focus on Creighton's actual weaknesses relative to us.

For example:

1) They play in a rented gym that Nebraska also plays in from time to time.

2) The size of our hardcore fanbase relative to theirs in not comparable.

3) Their coach is Mr. one and out in the NCAA tourney. We have a recent Sweet 16. But then again we don't have that coach anymore either.. :(

4) Our depth of athletes and recruiting.

5) Their recent embarrassing losses.

6) Our private facilities.

7) Our tradition, our game-time atmosphere etc. etc.

There are many tangibles and intangibles that cause Creighton fans to be jealous of us, their win-loss record isn't one of them. Since win-loss records are fundamental to most "rivalries" in sports, we should avoid those discussions in our trash talking. It simply doesn't make sense. If you want to go into battle with an opponent, don't carry a double-edged sword.

Hopefully we can sweep Creighton this year as it is way overdue that we beat them at their home.

All I read was "blah blah blah blah blah." Let me hate Creighton in peace. Heck I'm Creighton alumni and I still hate them. I have a lot of hate in my heart and it feels so good.

[MTXE]

I get your point. Yeah in recent years Creighton has definitely had our number. So it would definitely appear the "rivalry" issue is more with us wanting to beat them.

That doesnt change the fact of information that I put forth earlier. Or even Kai's assessment of hating them for the sake of hating them. Hell the Chiefs for the longest time owned the Raiders every year but that was still considered a "must win" So you're "scoreboard" annotation is very true but at the same time depending on the person doesnt really mean nothing

There is nothing wrong with hating Creighton (in fact I encourage it), there is nothing wrong with attempting to "smack talk" them into the very cyberspace terra firma. What I submit as wrong is continually making the sarcastic comment, "not a rivalry" as if it is a burn or something. If I was a Creighton fan I would say in response to that witless taunt, "5-27 What rivalry?". I'm sure they already do..

People ask why I care? Because to those of us that understand the implications of such a comment and its direct link to a rather humbling statistic -It's freaking embarrassing!