Please don't shoot the messenger.....

[im4wsu]

Well done! I knew you guys could do better. But please spare me the "largest city in Kansas" BS. Yes, Wichita is the largest single municipal entity in the state but the population of the Kansas side of the KC area is much larger. Miami, Johnson, Wyandotte and Leavenworth counties are a single metro area that is made up of several cities that, taken together, are far and away the largest built up area in the state. My point is that there is little to no interest in WSU outside of a 60 mile radius of Wichita. If you go into any sports apparel store anywhere in Kansas outside of Wichita there are very few, if any, WSU products for sale. Not saying that's a bad thing. If WSU doesn't want a presence outside Sedgwick county that's fine but that simply is the way it is. Possibly the Board of Regents sees the WSU mission as serving Wichita as a commuter school while the 5 other state schools serve the rest of the state in a more traditional college atmosphere.

WSU fans and alumni rarely go shopping for bib overalls with logos on them.

[tw805]

Well done! I knew you guys could do better. But please spare me the "largest city in Kansas" BS. Yes, Wichita is the largest single municipal entity in the state but the population of the Kansas side of the KC area is much larger. Miami, Johnson, Wyandotte and Leavenworth counties are a single metro area that is made up of several cities that, taken together, are far and away the largest built up area in the state. My point is that there is little to no interest in WSU outside of a 60 mile radius of Wichita. If you go into any sports apparel store anywhere in Kansas outside of Wichita there are very few, if any, WSU products for sale. Not saying that's a bad thing. If WSU doesn't want a presence outside Sedgwick county that's fine but that simply is the way it is. Possibly the Board of Regents sees the WSU mission as serving Wichita as a commuter school while the 5 other state schools serve the rest of the state in a more traditional college atmosphere.

Really? I live in KC, and KSU's representation up here is nearly non-existent. The alliegances in this town very much run Missouri/Kansas and then everyone else. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Nebraska and Iowa State have better representation in the KC metro area than KSU does.

And another thing, I don't know anyone who considers Leavenworth and Miami Counties a part of this metropolitan area.

Now that being said, I actually like KSU and believe we have more in common than we have differences. Both of our schools have comparatively similar enrollment sizes, and we both hate the hell out of Kansas. I would hope that we could focus on our hatred of Kansas here, because it's far more entertaining.

[Veritas]

Well done! I knew you guys could do better. But please spare me the "largest city in Kansas" BS. Yes, Wichita is the largest single municipal entity in the state but the population of the Kansas side of the KC area is much larger. Miami, Johnson, Wyandotte and Leavenworth counties are a single metro area that is made up of several cities that, taken together, are far and away the largest built up area in the state. My point is that there is little to no interest in WSU outside of a 60 mile radius of Wichita. If you go into any sports apparel store anywhere in Kansas outside of Wichita there are very few, if any, WSU products for sale. Not saying that's a bad thing. If WSU doesn't want a presence outside Sedgwick county that's fine but that simply is the way it is. Possibly the Board of Regents sees the WSU mission as serving Wichita as a commuter school while the 5 other state schools serve the rest of the state in a more traditional college atmosphere.

You're correct about the comment re the KBoRegents. If that ever changes though, K-State will be more negatively impacted than any other school. WSU and KU become the state's only two flagship schools.

[shockar25]

I have no problem with KSU unless they're playing us. But, to me--basketball PROGRAM wise, there's just no comparison.

Here's some questions to ponder: (don't feel bad if you don't match up well in these categories, because many can't--BCS and non-BCS.)

(Keep in mind we're talking men's basketball here)

Is your arena somewhere that opponents FEAR to play in due to the 10,000+ fans that consistently fill it year in and year out (let's face it, for us to get a home and home with some of the BCS schools is extremely difficult because they know that there's a very good chance they WON'T win coming here)?

Do your fans loyally support your team with 10,000+ fans year in and year out regardless of championships or overall record?

Yes, we aren't a traditional school, but we have something that KSU and even Lawrence can NEVER have. We have the support of our community in ways most schools can only dream about. WSU is Wichita, and Wichita and WSU go hand in hand. Yes, KSU and Manhattan are the same way and KU and Lawrence, but neither of those towns has nearly 500,000 potential fans.

With our lack of Football, basketball (and baseball and even volleyball, but I still think most know that this is a BASKETBALL town) is KING here. Shocker fans live and breathe basketball all year round. It's our focus in a way that other schools with football programs simply can't compete with.

I've never been to KSU's basketball arena for a KSU game (only for the 2A state tourney) but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the atmosphere in Koch Arena is 2nd to none in the nation. Yes, others can match us, but I highly doubt most surpass us in noise and in that 'feel' that the arena gives.

As I said, many schools can't touch us in all of these categories--perhaps some, but few can in all of them, and I'm sure others could come up with more.

[Veritas]

Well done! I knew you guys could do better. But please spare me the "largest city in Kansas" BS. Yes, Wichita is the largest single municipal entity in the state but the population of the Kansas side of the KC area is much larger. Miami, Johnson, Wyandotte and Leavenworth counties are a single metro area that is made up of several cities that, taken together, are far and away the largest built up area in the state. My point is that there is little to no interest in WSU outside of a 60 mile radius of Wichita. If you go into any sports apparel store anywhere in Kansas outside of Wichita there are very few, if any, WSU products for sale. Not saying that's a bad thing. If WSU doesn't want a presence outside Sedgwick county that's fine but that simply is the way it is. Possibly the Board of Regents sees the WSU mission as serving Wichita as a commuter school while the 5 other state schools serve the rest of the state in a more traditional college atmosphere.

Really? I live in KC, and KSU's representation up here is nearly non-existent. The alliegances in this town very much run Missouri/Kansas and then everyone else. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Nebraska and Iowa State have better representation in the KC metro area than KSU does.

And another thing, I don't know anyone who considers Leavenworth and Miami Counties a part of this metropolitan area.

Now that being said, I actually like KSU and believe we have more in common than we have differences. Both of our schools have comparatively similar enrollment sizes, and we both hate the hell out of Kansas. I would hope that we could focus on our hatred of Kansas here, because it's far more entertaining.

TW... K-States enrollment is quite a bit larger than WSU. I think WSU's enrollment has declined since WSU dropped football. There have been a few years of positive growth, but for the most part it has been flat or gone down.
The hatred of KU is misplaced IMO. I think for the most part, KU alumni like WSU whereas, K-State alumni are a bit defensive regarding WSU.

[Overtime]

This thread is tiresome...makes my head hurt

[WstateU]

This thread is tiresome...makes my head hurt

Here you go... take your pick.

[ShockCity]

3 game series with one at Koch Arena, one at Bramlage, and one at the downtown arena is all I would take with Kitty U.

[tw805]

Well done! I knew you guys could do better. But please spare me the "largest city in Kansas" BS. Yes, Wichita is the largest single municipal entity in the state but the population of the Kansas side of the KC area is much larger. Miami, Johnson, Wyandotte and Leavenworth counties are a single metro area that is made up of several cities that, taken together, are far and away the largest built up area in the state. My point is that there is little to no interest in WSU outside of a 60 mile radius of Wichita. If you go into any sports apparel store anywhere in Kansas outside of Wichita there are very few, if any, WSU products for sale. Not saying that's a bad thing. If WSU doesn't want a presence outside Sedgwick county that's fine but that simply is the way it is. Possibly the Board of Regents sees the WSU mission as serving Wichita as a commuter school while the 5 other state schools serve the rest of the state in a more traditional college atmosphere.

Really? I live in KC, and KSU's representation up here is nearly non-existent. The alliegances in this town very much run Missouri/Kansas and then everyone else. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Nebraska and Iowa State have better representation in the KC metro area than KSU does.

And another thing, I don't know anyone who considers Leavenworth and Miami Counties a part of this metropolitan area.

Now that being said, I actually like KSU and believe we have more in common than we have differences. Both of our schools have comparatively similar enrollment sizes, and we both hate the hell out of Kansas. I would hope that we could focus on our hatred of Kansas here, because it's far more entertaining.

TW... K-States enrollment is quite a bit larger than WSU. I think WSU's enrollment has declined since WSU dropped football. There have been a few years of positive growth, but for the most part it has been flat or gone down.
The hatred of KU is misplaced IMO. I think for the most part, KU alumni like WSU whereas, K-State alumni are a bit defensive regarding WSU.

You are certainly right that enrollment has dropped since football left. However, I said comparatively speaking. WSU has between 14-15k (if memory serves,) and KSU has 19-20k. KU, by comparison, has about 32k. So what I am saying is that KU is by far the biggest school in the state, and the spread between WSU and KSU is smaller.

I cannot in any way agree that KU alumni have any respect for WSU. Remember, I live among these snobby morons. In the past year alone, I have faced the following questions/statements by KU alums:

1. What is WSU, Division2?

2. Does WSU have a basketball team?

3. KU would NEVER SINK TO THE LEVEL OF PLAYING WSU!

4. WSU? Isn't that the JUCO where Mark Turgeon got started? (I'm not kidding.)

So I will never agree that these idiots feel anything but inherently superior to WSU. Which is an interesting phenomenon, considering most of these feelings of superiority are derived from sports none of them played.

[BCSCat]

Official KBOR numbers for Fall 2009:

KU 30,004
KSU 23,581
WSU 14,823
FHSU 11,308
PSU 7,277
ESU 6,314

The only schools that saw a decrease - ESU and KU. The number for KSU is an all time high.

[im4wsu]

Official KBOR numbers for Fall 2009:

KU 30,004
KSU 23,581
WSU 14,823
FHSU 11,308
PSU 7,277
ESU 6,314

The only schools that saw a decrease - ESU and KU. The number for KSU is an all time high.

Note the difference KU to KSU is 6,423, the difference between KSU and WSU is 8,758. KSU closer to KU than to WSU in size.

[SHOCKvalue]

Official KBOR numbers for Fall 2009:

KU 30,004
KSU 23,581
WSU 14,823
FHSU 11,308
PSU 7,277
ESU 6,314

The only schools that saw a decrease - ESU and KU. The number for KSU is an all time high.

Might as well throw those FHSU numbers out. They've become the public school version of a degree mill. The equivalent of a Friends University for Chinese nationals. Via actual on-campus population, they're still the smallest school in the KBOR system.

BTW an interesting tidbit- before Pew Perkins killed our football program, and K-State made the hire of Snyder, most years WSU was the larger school out of the two.

[BCSCat]

FHSU grew 12% from last year so that Chinese diploma mill thing may well be true. IDK about WSU being larger than KSU before Snyder. KSU grew steadily from 13,847 in 1970 to 19,045 in 1977 dipped to a low of 17,570 in 1985 and then a steady climb to the current level of 23K+. I'll have to take a look at WSU enrollment figures if I can find them.

And to think that this thread started with a discussion of a possible KSU-WSU basketball series. I really should get back to work lol.

[Ashockalypse]

Hey BCSpuss bury yourself in the ground finding the enrollment figures so we don't have to read your boring crap about Pasture U.

[tw805]

I guess you guys were right. I must be getting old, because I've never known KSU to have more than 19k.

I tried to (I guess imagine) that KSU and WSU might have something in common. According to BCS cat, we don't. On that basis, both KSU and KU can both go jump in a BCS infested hole. You know, a place where you can pay out in excess of your entire operating budget in guarantees to Division I-AA football schools and still make the Orange Bowl.

Ahem:

http://www2.kusports.com/football/schedule/2007/