ESPN/Sagarin all time basketball rankings

[BCSCat]

Pretty cool list.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf

[ShockerFever]

http://shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=15025

A week late but I'll divulge a bit this second go-around.

I have a problem with numbers 1, 27, and 77.

I also question the fact that 8 of the Top 15 teams are comprised of Big Ten reps.

Sagarin Ratings are meaningless anyways.

[BCSCat]

Sorry to repeat - I had not been here in quite a while. Sorry you don't like where the 'Cats are ranked. Don't let the 15 years we spent lost in the wilderness color your perception of this all- time ranking. Kansas State was a power in the 50s, 60s, 70's and most of the 80's.

Of course I can't spell basketball correctly so what do I know.

[Ashockalypse]

I don't know about "most of the 80s".

[shockball]

Nebraska at 57! They are still praying for their first NCAA tournament victory.

[BCSCat]

NCAA '80, '81 Elite 8, '82 Sweet 16, '87, '88 Elite 8, '89. That's 6 years out of 10 which is "most". Don't forget Street and Smiths ranked Kansas State as the 25th best all time back in 2005 so I wouldn't call the ESPN/Sagarin ranking bogus.

And here is how KSU did against KU until the eve of the '88 Regional Championship game (and of course we have sucked against them since for the most part):

Lest we forget (On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game)

KSU vs. KU (NCAA appearances:
KSU (18) - KU (18)

Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)

Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)

Final 4 KSU (4) - KU (6)

National Championship: KSU (0) - KU (1)

Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)

Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)

Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)

Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)

Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)

Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)

Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)

KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37

KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15

[BCSCat]

Nebraska at 57! They are still praying for their first NCAA tournament victory.

LOL I'm guessing strength of schedule helps teams like NU. That's assuming Sagarin brings a SOS factor to the rankings. They had competitive teams under Joe Cipriano but a very sad NCAA record. Maybe they won a lot in the early years?

[Veritas]

Nebraska at 57! They are still praying for their first NCAA tournament victory.

LOL I'm guessing strength of schedule helps teams like NU. That's assuming Sagarin brings a SOS factor to the rankings. They had competitive teams under Joe Cipriano but a very sad NCAA record. Maybe they won a lot in the early years?

Using that argument, I'd write that SoS in playing KU 2x a year also helped K-State; espcially (as you point out) since 1988.

I admit that K-State did have some decent basketball teams. It's a shame how far the program has fallen. I never could figure out why Dana Altman and especially Lon Krueger (sp?) left K-State.

Another question BSCat: Why not move back to Ahearn? That place had some atmosphere. Maybe the Wildcats are JINXed since moving to Bramlage (I think that's what it is called).

[BCSCat]

Frank is bringing the program back. What made Ahearn a great venue was the fans. The Bram was a great venue in it's early years and is becoming so again. Ahearn itself was a dump and remodeling it would have reduced capacity too much. Once the additions to the Bram are done it will be as good as anything in the Big XII and certainly better than that dump in Larryville.

[gamefan]

haha..

As far as basketball goes, WSU and KU have something in common. They both play in stadiums that were built in the 1950's... Koch just seems like a better place to watch a basketball game though. As far as K-State and Bramlage go, no where near the same feel. Sure, Bramlage is 30+ years younger than Koch and Allen, but KSU fans can have it. That shack they call Bramlage is the reason K-State declined in basketball.

[BCSCat]

Losing Kruger and then Altman with the resulting Asbury and Woolridge hires is what did the damage, not the move to Bramlage. The first few years the Bram was open it was near capacity and was loud, loud, loud. Crappy teams and the rise of football ruined all that.

[Veritas]

Frank is bringing the program back. What made Ahearn a great venue was the fans. The Bram was a great venue in it's early years and is becoming so again. Ahearn itself was a dump and remodeling it would have reduced capacity too much. Once the additions to the Bram are done it will be as good as anything in the Big XII and certainly better than that dump in Larryville.

BCSCat, there is no way in the slightest that "The Bram" remotely holds a candle to Allen or Koch. Sorry, but IMO Ahearn had character and tradition, whereas "The Bram" is a cold, concrete shell that lacks character or anything remotely unique. When one attends a game at Koch or Allen you can feel the tradition and know that you're in for something special.

Ahearn compared to Bramlage is akin to HLA/Koch compared to the Kansas Coliseum.

[Wuzee]

One note on that ranking ...

Because of the NCAA probation, this ranking not only omits our 23-6 year in 1982 and our 25-3 year in 1983, we also are "penalized" for each of those years.