Shocks Bulking Up (or Down)

[rrshock]

Ellis might have also started eating correctly. The training table thing can help them get the foods they need to add the weight they need. Plus the lifting thing is an easy way to add weight. KR wouldn't let them cheat. He would stop it immediately, as would the NCAA drug testing.

[top20shock]

how dare you accuse me of saying like that? all I said was that much weight that fast is pretty hard to do.

How dare you. Heh. :lol:

[1972Shocker]

when did Aaron get here? I ask because it's pretty hard to gain 17 pounds in such amount of time

I don't know. I can gain 17 pounds PDQ. Oh! You mean 17 pounds of muscle. Never mind!

[forevershockerfan]

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Coach: "Way to go FSF. #11 did score 45, but at least he's thirsty!"

1972Shocker----That comeback had to be one of the most hilarious that I recall on S.N. It was a classic!!! :good: :D

[1972Shocker]

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Coach: "Way to go FSF. #11 did score 45, but at least he's thirsty!"

1972Shocker----That comeback had to be one of the most hilarious that I recall on S.N. It was a classic!!! :good: :D

Just havin' a little fun! Thanks for being a good sport about it.

[InWuWeTrust]

"Both ways were going to be successful," Rosenboom said. "Coach Marshall's philosophy goes more to what I'm in tune to. Coach Marshall is taking, physically, the team to another level. He goes back to what I call the 'NBA body.' Let's get bigger, stronger, more athletic and be able to move.' "

i like what i'm hearing and am about to explode waiting for the season to start. also fwiw, sounds like K.R. is poking a little jab at turgeon's philosophy on lifting.

[1972Shocker]

"Both ways were going to be successful," Rosenboom said. "Coach Marshall's philosophy goes more to what I'm in tune to. Coach Marshall is taking, physically, the team to another level. He goes back to what I call the 'NBA body.' Let's get bigger, stronger, more athletic and be able to move.' "

i like what i'm hearing and am about to explode waiting for the season to start. also fwiw, sounds like K.R. is poking a little jab at turgeon's philosophy on lifting.

K.R. may or may not be taking a shot at the last regime, but at the very least he, himself, seems to be energized by the new approach.

:goshocks:

[The Mad Hatter]

"Both ways were going to be successful," Rosenboom said. "Coach Marshall's philosophy goes more to what I'm in tune to. Coach Marshall is taking, physically, the team to another level. He goes back to what I call the 'NBA body.' Let's get bigger, stronger, more athletic and be able to move.' "

i like what i'm hearing and am about to explode waiting for the season to start. also fwiw, sounds like K.R. is poking a little jab at turgeon's philosophy on lifting.

Actually, it sounds to me like he was doing his best to not take a poke at Turgeon's weight lifting philosophy. He clearly thinks that this approach is better and was trying to avoid saying outright that Turgeon was wrong.

My dad and I were discussing how Turgeon's weight lifting philosophy, if accurately described in the article, sounds a lot like the philosophy of the 50's/60's which believed that you didn't want to bulk up players because it would hurt range of motion. This theory was proven untrue and I'm surprised that Turgeon would still ascribe to it (although not surprised that K.R. doesn't).

[wu_shizzle]

I vaguely remember some anecdote about Michael Jordan benching his personal best right before some 40 point game.

Paul Miller, PJ, Sean O and even Ryan Bradley made some pretty big gains in the weight room. Who was encouraging them to put the work in?

[lemuel777]

With our offensive woes this season, I haven't heard anyone bring this topic back up about strength conditioning. It actually seems to have had a negative affect on the Shockers shooting the ball so far this season- especially the 3 pointer.

[Rosewood]

Ellis needs a lot more strength conditioning. His lack of pure muscle mass cost him a couple times tonight.

I think it is a far stretch for a fan to come to the conclusion that the woes in shooting a player is experiencing is from muscle growth.

What I am saying is that there is no way for you to prove that causal relationship.

[lemuel777]

My thought comes from to things I have observed.

1) I have always heard that excessive weight lifting can throw off a basketball players shot.

2) People seem to be at a loss as to why the ball is not going into the hoop, and well this is a plausible answer to the question why.

The article was more about weight conditioning philosophies and less about Ellis.

[shockball]

Isn't Nick Hoheisel now in charge of the weight training for baseball? KR was not on the same page as Gene.

Is this the same weight training philosophy that Coach has been using? I've not had a chance to read the article.

Edit: just noticed that the thread was started 10/7.

[rZ]

Isn't Nick Hoheisel now in charge of the weight training for baseball? KR was not on the same page as Gene.

Is this the same weight training philosophy that Coach has been using? I've not had a chance to read the article.

Baseball players do not work with Kerry anymore. Kerry may have been stuck in a "rut" as far as training programs for the baseball team, which is easy to do in his field. Training programs were not individualized for players depending on their positions (pitchers/catchers doing exact same workout).

[Snapshot9]

I would think that 4/5 men would bulk up more than 1/2/3 men, where strength was more important, and they usually shoot short shots or layups, so the bulk should not 'disturb' their shot.

1/2/3 men should increase strength too, but strive for 'longer' muscles, and not quite so much bulk. They usually shoot jumpers with a longer range of motion when shooting.

That would dictate to me that their workouts would be different to concentrate on those areas of strength training.

If you stretch on offdays of weight lifting, you can keep your muscle memory from getting 'out of tune'. You 'feel' for things changes somewhat as you build up, and does take a little adjustment period. I happen to play another sport where it has the same issue, weight lifting vs. affects on you for the sport.