WSU Ch 22 TV show last night

[xazshox]

Did anyone watch MK's interview with Gregg Marshall last night? I was interested by what GM had to say about the WSU, Creighton time clock issue and am surprised that no one has commented on it here yet!

[ShockerGorilla]

Re: WSU Ch 22 TV show last night

Did anyone watch MK's interview with Gregg Marshall last night? I was interested by what GM had to say about the WSU, Creighton time clock issue and am surprised that no one has commented on it here yet!

I missed it. What was said?

[Wuzee]

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[Maggie]

If anyone has time, I would appreciate a summary of the interview.

[xazshox]

Time Clock Issue

What I thought I heard him say was that after considerable review there was really almost a full second lost on the clock at the end of the game. So, instead of having 1.9 sec's left, there was really only 0.9 to 1.0 sec's left. But, I want to see if others heard what I heard or if I misunderstood him. Prior to saying that, he also said that those reviewing the time left on the clock did not go thru a proper analysis (due diligence) on the subject.

On the radio show on Mon night this week, GM said that after Aaron Ellis missed the front end of a free throw with 9-10 sec's left, the time keeper did not restart the clock, so almost a sec was not accounted for there before Clemente got the rebound and called timeout while on the floor.

He realizes, of course, that the game is over & there is no way the outcome can be changed now. He said that once the teams go to their locker rooms, there is no way to dispute the time later. What I'd really like to see come out of this is that the MVC changes their policy such that the head referee has responsibiilty for the time clock via his watch which apparently sends a radio signal to the bench. As I understand it, this is the way many other major conferences handle it.

We can all recall numerous instances at WSU home games this past season where the referee's had to stop lay & go to the bench to make sure the time keeper had kept track of the time correctly. The ref's are the ones most responsible for the games.

[rjl]

Re: Time Clock Issue

What I thought I heard him say was that after considerable review there was really almost a full second lost on the clock at the end of the game. So, instead of having 1.9 sec's left, there was really only 0.9 to 1.0 sec's left. But, I want to see if others heard what I heard or if I misunderstood him. Prior to saying that, he also said that those reviewing the time left on the clock did not go thru a proper analysis (due diligence) on the subject.

He said that in the immediate aftermath of "the play", after their 15 seconds of on-court tape review, the referees told Marshall that the game clock only started .1 seconds late.

But there are reviews of the tape in the days since then that have said the clock may have started a full second late.

He did say that the officials didn't give it it's due diligence, insinuating that 15 seconds of review wasn't nearly enough to see how wrong it was. The fact that the officials came up with ".1 seconds" is proof of that.

I blame The Jockey.

[vbird53]

Why don't officials work in groups of 4?

3 on the court, and one on the game clock?

[WSUwatcher]

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Why don't officials work in groups of 4?

3 on the court, and one on the game clock?

No doubt too expensive, vbird. I believe MVC refs get paid over a thousand bucks each per game -- some of our officiating buddies please help me out if I'm wrong here? -- and I doubt the league and schools would want to spring for an extra ref per game, although in the conference tourney the cost for nine games wouldn't be overwhelming and would be money well spent given the potential significance of the games.

The better and cheaper approach, though, would be for someone on the court to control the clock. That way you have only one reaction time to deal with, rather than the combination of reactions (one ref signals, another starts the clock) now, thus improving accuracy. And you'd only have to pay once to switch to an on-court time control system.

[im4wsu]

No matter how many officials your get out there or at the table, there is still no reconciling looking at TV to determine the precise instant a ball goes through the basket or bounces out of bounds with then relying of an officail (human) anywhere determining when the clock should start. If you take away the human element at the end of a play, it should also be taken away from the beginning of the play.

I always thought it strange and unfair that they measure for a first down in football by placing the ball somewhere and then hoding it precisely until the chains come out, then pitch theball to the middle of the field to begint the new series. Every other play is decided by officials looking 30 yards across the field, but they measure precisely for first downs.

[SubGod22]

Most the time the clock operator is a well trained individual. I believe WSU has the same person do it for every home game. There may be two I'm not sure. I know a few of the guys down there are area officials that do some small college stuff. Not sure what their exact role is down there though.

[im4wsu]

Most the time the clock operator is a well trained individual. I believe WSU has the same person do it for every home game. There may be two I'm not sure. I know a few of the guys down there are area officials that do some small college stuff. Not sure what their exact role is down there though.

Over the last ten years, I've never been impressed with the WSU timer, but I must say that this season I haven't noticed anything, which is very good. In past yeaars I have commented to friends that he must have been employed by the opposition.

[vbird53]

Most the time the clock operator is a well trained individual. I believe WSU has the same person do it for every home game. There may be two I'm not sure. I know a few of the guys down there are area officials that do some small college stuff. Not sure what their exact role is down there though.

Exactly. To me, it's a conflict of interest. The clock operator should be just a non-partisan as the officials on the court.

BTW, I'm not sure you'd have to spring for another grand per game for the clock operator. I'd think you could find somebody that'd do it for $250.

[SubGod22]

Most the time the clock operator is a well trained individual. I believe WSU has the same person do it for every home game. There may be two I'm not sure. I know a few of the guys down there are area officials that do some small college stuff. Not sure what their exact role is down there though.

Exactly. To me, it's a conflict of interest. The clock operator should be just a non-partisan as the officials on the court.

BTW, I'm not sure you'd have to spring for another grand per game for the clock operator. I'd think you could find somebody that'd do it for $250.

Not if you're bringing in outside operators like you do the officials. $250 in that case wouldn't be worth the travel.

[rrshock]

Why don't they use actual officials to operate the clock, if the referees aren't going to do it out on the floor?

[SubGod22]

Why don't they use actual officials to operate the clock, if the referees aren't going to do it out on the floor?

Are you wanting them to pay somebody to fly in and do it? Those who work the clock for WSU games are quite experienced at it. The guy in STL hadn't worked much.

And operating on the floor apparently doesn't solve everything as we saw with the 0U/OSU game.