The OFFICIAL DARE WE ASK FOR A ROAD WIN? vs. BU Game Thread

[ShockerFever]

Just cannot see that bigga problem with this. Calling timeout and running a lob play is one thing; a 19-year-old kid throwing up a 30-footer at the end of the game does not bother me at all. Hell, it was just one more three that we didn't defend. The baseball equivalent would be hitting a home run, not calling a hit and run.

It not being defended makes it more of a reason not to shoot it.

[ShockerFever]

Re: Roberts

But I agree that he shouldn't have said anything to the Bradley player (who by the way apparently wasn't trying to rub it in, but just got caught up in the crowd's yelling at him so they could win a deal on a steak dinner).

BTW, what happened to our Whopper deals WSU had a few years ago? Was the deal if we scored 80, we would get $.80 cent Whoppers the next day? Why don't we have another promotion like that?

Because it would have to be 60 or 70 and Burger King probably doesn't wanna have to pony up the extra 20 cents/ticket.

[engrshock]

hope that last second three doesn't define this game..it was meaningless. You guys played well in the fist half but,,IMO,, took to many 3's in the second half.

Stutz should have red shirted....

I like WSu as a program but I'm not sold on Marshall. Proabably unfair as WSU is young but we went wit 3 freshman and two soph. much of the game.

Hang in there.....a road loss won't hurt you. See ya in St Louis...

I hope you feel that way when baseball season starts and our guys keep stealing bases and doing hit-and-run plays with a 10 run lead in the top of the ninth. It won't define the game, but since you don't see a big deal on what transpired tonight, I expect that carries on into baseball season. :D

This is not the same thing IMO. As long as the other team has a last at bat in the game they can still win however unlikely. It has happened. In basketball with a 12 point lead and less than 10 seconds on the clock there is no chance for coming back. Once defeat is admitted and defense is basically stopped Bradley should have dribbled out the clock. I might have a different opinion if the player was a walk-on that never played. As for what HCGM said or did not say to the player he was in the greeting line. Should he have told him "good game"? or nice shot or just refused to shake hi hand and ignored him. Since I do not know what was said or what Jim Les told Marshall it may have been entirely proper for Marshall to have said something more to the young man.

[Kung Wu]

A coach shouldn't "rip" another coach's player unless he is attacking, bad mouthing, or being otherwise unsportsmanlike toward one of your players, can we agree on that?

But saying something like "show some class" or "that was uncalled for" to a guy that clearly is being classless, is that out of line? Telling an opponent, "pull up your pants and show the game some respect" can't be wrong either, if a kid is sagging like a thug?

I, too, don't know what was said but generally when something is said it isn't "ripping" the player -- it's just letting him know that his behavior was uncalled for. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[tBU]

A coach shouldn't "rip" another coach's player unless he is attacking, bad mouthing, or being otherwise unsportsmanlike toward one of your players, can we agree on that?

But saying something like "show some class" or "that was uncalled for" to a guy that clearly is being classless, is that out of line? Telling an opponent, "pull up your pants and show the game some respect" can't be wrong either, if a kid is sagging like a thug?

I, too, don't know what was said but generally when something is said it isn't "ripping" the player -- it's just letting him know that his behavior was uncalled for. I don't see anything wrong with that.

It was reported on Pjstar forums new Bradley site by Kirk Wessler who is the sports editor. He first expressed what Roberts did was wrong but he didn't think it was done with any malice towards WSU...I think thats obvious.

He then said JL IMMEDIATLEY went to Marshall and apologized.....he goes on to say "GM was NOT in a forgiving mood and let the Roberts kid have it in words not fit for print."

Had I been the coach I would like to think I would have blown it off. Easy for me to say but in the heat of the moment we ALL do stoopid things...kids AND adults.

To me..its over....BOTH teams have more pressing issues at hand, like the next game.

[pinstripers]

I hope it did not go down that way.

[WSUwatcher]

Promos

"I don't like this line of reasoning.

If they were 5 points away from triggering a promotion, would that justify hitting a quick 3 and trying to steal the ensuing inbounds pass?

The players should not be cognizant of these types of things, IMO."

Well, Royal, back in the real world...

a) It wasn't so much about the player; it was about the fans egging the player on, something we also used to see here back in the days when there was a promotion that was actually possible for Shocker fans to collect once in a while. Roberts, who is new at Bradley this year, overreacted. Stuff like that happens once in a while.

b) If they were five points away, chances are the fans wouldn't have been all fired up. Back in the days of 80 point burgers at WSU I don't recall our crowds going crazy on 75 with a few seconds left, and I doubt that it would have happened in Peoria either. But they were one point away and had the ball, so I'm not at all surprised the fans got greedy. It used to happen on 78 or 79 here, too, and it isn't out of the question that a WSU player might overreact -- once -- if such a situation were to arise again. You can bet Marshall would set him straight if he did, but I don't think there's any reason to doubt that Les didn't want that shot taken, either, or that he corrected Roberts's error afterwards.

c) The players shouldn't be cognizant of such things? Well, maybe in a perfect world. In this one, they almost certainly are; and even if they aren't, they can certainly hear, and can more easily hear the crowd than their coaches. (Remember Sasha's mischievous ball-between-the-knees fakes that Fogler hated?)

d) No, it shouldn't have happened. But the best way to guard against stuff like that is to not be down 12 as time runs out in the first place. The winning team doesn't worry about being insulted. So let's try being up 12 instead, and then the other guys can shoot buzzer-beaters to their hearts' content.

[tBU]

I hope it did not go down that way.

Afraid it did....IF this was just some BU fan saying..."man you should have heard GM ripping into the kid"..I'd say "Meh"....I'm sure it wasn't quite what you say it was. But this is a very credible and neutral (when it comes to facts) reporter. He's very well respected AND like I said placed initial "blame" on JL and secondly the kid. But he also said what GM did was bush league. I don't say this to tick you guys off...I mean had it been JL I'd say the same thing...you DON'T go after opposing players...PERIOD.

He points out JL HAS to nip this stuff in the BUD...toot sweet. For the record JL and the staff were yelling "don't shoot...Don't shoot"...I can attest to that from where I sat.


Again..its over...I can understand ALL sides on this (non) issue. It wasn't directed at WSU...now had the opponents been ISU..hmmmmm THAT would have been fun.

Hey you guys are 3-1 in the last four games....forget this crap and get back to beating the SIU's...UNI's...etc.

Good luck....

[RoyalShock]

Re: Promos

Well, Royal, back in the real world...

You opened the door to rationalize the player's actions. Well, back in the real world, the door doesn't get opened only as far as you want. Someone else will come along and push it open further.

A player needs to have more class, presence of mind, and understanding of how his actions will be perceived. Chants from the crowd should not supercede any of those character traits.

[ShoxFan45]

I didn't know if we were ready to win this game. I think Bradley is pretty good, a legit #2 in the Valley. I think it's a little early to expect a win in that situation. I just hope we can take care of business at home on Saturday, if not, we may be back to the old Shockers. Eh. But I think they'll do us proud.


Go Shox!

:posterwu: :yahoo: :posterwu: :clap:

[BostonWu]

well, I dont understand why he wouldnt try kyles at the 3. He can shoot the 3 better than hawkins and potentially better than hatch.

At this point what proof is there that Kyles can shoot the 3 better than Hawkins in game situations? If coach thought he could he would probably be starting.

[ShockerFever]

Re: Promos

d) No, it shouldn't have happened. But the best way to guard against stuff like that is to not be down 12 as time runs out in the first place. The winning team doesn't worry about being insulted. So let's try being up 12 instead, and then the other guys can shoot buzzer-beaters to their hearts' content.

Or maybe the winning team should put themselves in a position to be ahead by more than 12 at the point in a game normally reserved for going out classy and running out the clock. But then again, fan's freebies > class. :roll:

[Sundevil Shox]

bu

The last second shot was pure bush league but the bigger issue is the Shockers' dreadful appearance. It is hard to understand why these guys can't give sustained effort on the road. Every phase was awful. I'm tired of the 'young team' b.s. I want consistent effort each night. Going 7 or 9 minutes without a fg is just unexcusable.

[Veritas]

I really don't understand the hype about a team running a CU dunk play or BU hitting a 3 at the end of the game. Big freakin' deal.

Whatever happend to "give me your best shot, because as a player, team and a program I'm going to keep coming back at you".

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with BU hitting a 3 to jack up the score. They beat us. What difference does an extra 3 make (unless you're laying bets or something). I wouldn't have given a ratz ass if he had hit it from midcourt, halfcourt, or from the stands. The game's over, we lost, and rubbing a little salt in the wound never hurt anyone. In fact it probably builds character.

The point is for the program to get to the point where opponents' 3s are being jacked up at half court to get the score closer in contrast to running up the score. Until then, bring on the salt...

Now from the Shocker perspective, I'd be disappointed with WSU running up the score, because you want to show a little pity and mercy on your victim.

[newshock1234]

I really don't understand the hype about a team running a CU dunk play or BU hitting a 3 at the end of the game. Big freakin' deal.

Whatever happend to "give me your best shot, because as a player, team and a program I'm going to keep coming back at you".

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with BU hitting a 3 to jack up the score. They beat us. What difference does an extra 3 make (unless you're laying bets or something). I wouldn't have given a ratz ass if he had hit it from midcourt, halfcourt, or from the stands. The game's over, we lost, and rubbing a little salt in the wound never hurt anyone. In fact it probably builds character.

The point is for the program to get to the point where opponents' 3s are being jacked up at half court to get the score closer in contrast to running up the score. Until then, bring on the salt...

Now from the Shocker perspective, I'd be disappointed with WSU running up the score, because you want to show a little pity and mercy on your victim.

you were prolly one of those people that was ok with the 100-0 thrashing in the Texas HS girls game a couple weeks ago