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    I guess I'm in random observation mode today. At any rate, these are some thoughts that have been running around my head today, mainly in comparing the Marshall era to the Turgeon era.

    One thing that is necessary to put things in perspective is the greater strength - top to bottom - of the MVC between those early 2000's seasons and now. The MVC was hovering in the 10+ area of the RPI rankings then. It's been 8th or better the past several years. The hill is now a steeper climb.

    The first years of each regime was similar. Rag-tag first recruiting class and low conference finish. Obviously, we're only in the 2nd year of the Marshall Plan. When I look back at Turgeon's first true class (not counting the ones who left) I see a group of guys that all had talent but glaring weaknesses. Burns' decision making, Howard's antics and shooting, Kampman's inconsistency, Miller's "softness".

    But those weren't the players who got us a Valley championship. It wasn't until the next class or two that brought in Cooz, Ogirri and Braeuer, then saw the additions of Wilson, Bradley and Martin to go along with Miller, that Turgeon put the type of team on the floor we want to see year after year.

    Even with a stronger MVC and a sub-par 2nd season, I see some similarities, but also the potential with guys like Manigault, Hamilton and possibly Coy and Orukpe in the wings, to rise even quicker. The real question will be, as I alluded to in another topic, can the players execute Marshall's system and can his system be successful in the Valley?

    I guess what I'm saying is that it's way to early to get too down on this team or program. Not that anyone is in panic mode, but the signs are starting to appear.

  • #2
    I'm not worried. I wouldn't refer to the posters on board taking shots at the program as fans. We have more talent then we did last year without question.

    The true fans shouldn't be worried. Disappointed with the win / loss record right now...yes. Worried...not at all.

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    • #3
      I guess I'm due for an I'm not worried post. So.....I'm not worried.

      You can see the talent level rising. We'll be fine.
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      • #4
        Yep.. if you're a true fan, you need to ignore reality and just assume things are fine and dandy.




        This place is giving SalukiTalk a run for its money..
        Deuces Valley.
        ... No really, deuces.
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        • #5
          Please tell me what reality is?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pogo
            Please tell me what reality is?
            I'll start by saying it doesn't involve finishing in the Top 4 in the conference.
            Deuces Valley.
            ... No really, deuces.
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            • #7
              State of the program: Kansas :D
              Some posts are not visible to me. :peaceful:
              Don't worry too much about it. Just do all you can do and let the rough end drag.

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              • #8
                Shockerfever, you are always quick to criticize, so I would request from you what you would do to improve the team? What are your long range goals as a "sofa chair coach?"

                With your omniscient position of knowing what is "reality," tell us exactly what you would do.

                Remember, we have to deal in "reality," so what would you do differently?

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                • #9
                  I would start with winning. Much more often.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Txlen
                    Shockerfever, you are always quick to criticize, so I would request from you what you would do to improve the team? What are your long range goals as a "sofa chair coach?"

                    With your omniscient position of knowing what is "reality," tell us exactly what you would do.

                    Remember, we have to deal in "reality," so what would you do differently?
                    What Goshockers said is one thing I'd do.

                    I'd also try to implement an offense that consisted with something other than dribbling the ball around and then shooting up an off-balanced 3 as the shot clock is expiring. I'd also sit any player that feels the need to initiate the chuck-it-up 3 within the first 2 seconds of offensive possession. I'd also try and eliminate the NBA styled sets some of our players think its their destiny to continually run.

                    That's for starters. I'm not a D-1 coach, or coach of anything for that matter. I don't think I've ever said I could or would wanna coach. Did I?
                    Deuces Valley.
                    ... No really, deuces.
                    ________________
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                    - a smart man

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ShockerFever
                      I'd also sit any player that feels the need to initiate the chuck-it-up 3 within the first 2 seconds of offensive possession.
                      I don't see anything wrong with a player shooting a 3 earlier in the shot clock as long as they're wide open or are on a hot streak.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 1979Shocker
                        Originally posted by ShockerFever
                        I'd also sit any player that feels the need to initiate the chuck-it-up 3 within the first 2 seconds of offensive possession.
                        I don't see anything wrong with a player shooting a 3 earlier in the shot clock as long as they're wide open or are on a hot streak.
                        I can agree with that. That would be the only exception.

                        I do think it would be more to our advantage to run more, but then again, I'm not the coach. But apparently anything I feel that is my opinion on here is saying "I wanna be coach", but anyone else is just being a fan..
                        Deuces Valley.
                        ... No really, deuces.
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                        "Enjoy the ride."

                        - a smart man

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                        • #13
                          "I'd start by winning"????....You guys are total morons. Do you honestly believe anyone else could do a better job with these players than what's being done already?

                          Do you think we would have better talent than what we have if we would've hired someone else?

                          Please stop being idiots and start doing something productive with your lives. I can't believe you guys have ever been successful in anything because successful people don't act like total idiots...even when they are anonymous.

                          Grow up and quit thinking with your tail ends.

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                          • #14
                            If I were the coach (and I'm not :lol: ), the first thing I would do is fix or improve the psychology of the team. The team needs to relax and quit "looking over their shoulders" at the coaching staff. Let's consider some examples.

                            Graham Hatch: I think Graham is a smart player with a good shooting touch. In 2007-8, he shot 43.5% from three and this year he is shooting 33.3% from three. Why? I think it is psychology.

                            Ramon Clemente: In 2007-8, he hit 50.3% of his shots. This year he is hitting 51.8% of his shots. So why does he seem "down"? He doesn't seem like the player he was earlier in the year.

                            A.J. Hawkins: He won some games for us earlier in the season and now he seems to be in the doghouse.

                            2007-8 stats https://admin.xosn.com/fls/7500/stat...DB_OEM_ID=7500
                            2008-9 stats https://admin.xosn.com/fls/7500/stat...DB_OEM_ID=7500
                            Some posts are not visible to me. :peaceful:
                            Don't worry too much about it. Just do all you can do and let the rough end drag.

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                            • #15
                              I think questions about the team, coach and state of the program are valid to ask.

                              ZERO and Five in the MVC?

                              It is too early to conclude anything, of course.

                              It is possible we might go 13-0 the rest of the way in the MVC.

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