Duke/Southern Illinois

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SIU had 33 fouls, Duke had 21.

To anyone that watched the game: Did SIU really foul that much (which wouldn't surprise me), or was there some clear favoring of Duke by the refs? Or just a mix of both?

From what I saw, it was the normal muggings that SIU does in the MVC. That doesn't work everywhere else. So yes, they fouled that much.

I also forgot to mention how hard the fouls were. Like when Fay? hit the guy on a fast break that went for the dunk and he ended up laid out on the floor after hitting the goal base. They foul. They foul alot. And they foul hard. They have no room to complain about the free throw discrepancy or foul discrepancy, because they were playing like thugs.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

SIU had 33 fouls, Duke had 21.

To anyone that watched the game: Did SIU really foul that much (which wouldn't surprise me), or was there some clear favoring of Duke by the refs? Or just a mix of both?

From what I saw, it was the normal muggings that SIU does in the MVC. That doesn't work everywhere else. So yes, they fouled that much.

I also forgot to mention how hard the fouls were. Like when Fay? hit the guy on a fast break that went for the dunk and he ended up laid out on the floor after hitting the goal base. They foul. They foul alot. And they foul hard. They have no room to complain about the free throw discrepancy or foul discrepancy, because they were playing like thugs.

That was boyle. and IMO the only reason that looked bad was singler's momentum took him into base. Now granted Boyle should have just let him go up there for the dunk but when he did go up he was going after the ball.

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That was boyle. and IMO the only reason that looked bad was singler's momentum took him into base. Now granted Boyle should have just let him go up there for the dunk but when he did go up he was going after the ball.

He was beat. Why did he have to foul him? If it had been a number of other teams that they were playing instead of Duke, I'd have guessed that one of SIU's players would have gotten fouled at some point that would have taken him out of the game.

I understand playing hard, but they played recklessly, especially in the second half. Reckless playing is only good for getting you a loss and getting someone hurt. Fortunately no one got hurt, but you can't play that type of ball against the teams from the coasts. It doesn't work too well.

[RoyalShock]

I watched most of that game and I thought the contact was called evenly. Duke was the better man-to-man defensive team. It is possible to play in-your-face defense without hand-checking and reaching.

SIU's offense had to be one of the worst run offenses I've seen in recent memory. I'm sure Duke's defense had something to do with that but SIU made a lot of very poor decisions in that game. One year is not enough to reinvent their offense from being patient, and using the clock to firing up guarded 3s or going coast-to-coast. Dillard made a lot of freshman mistakes.

I will say I was impressed with the freshman big kid, though his name escapes me now. Not Booker, but the guy with the chia-pet head.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I watched most of that game and I thought the contact was called evenly. Duke was the better man-to-man defensive team. It is possible to play in-your-face defense without hand-checking and reaching.

SIU's offense had to be one of the worst run offenses I've seen in recent memory. I'm sure Duke's defense had something to do with that but SIU made a lot of very poor decisions in that game. One year is not enough to reinvent their offense from being patient, and using the clock to firing up guarded 3s or going coast-to-coast. Dillard made a lot of freshman mistakes.

I will say I was impressed with the freshman big kid, though his name escapes me now. Not Booker, but the guy with the chia-pet head.

I thought Evans played well, not sure if you are talking about him or Doubletree. Watched part of the game, and I'll tell you we will not be in the game if JT is on Evans.

[RoyalShock]

Yes, Nick Evans. That's the guy.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

That was boyle. and IMO the only reason that looked bad was singler's momentum took him into base. Now granted Boyle should have just let him go up there for the dunk but when he did go up he was going after the ball.

He was beat. Why did he have to foul him? If it had been a number of other teams that they were playing instead of Duke, I'd have guessed that one of SIU's players would have gotten fouled at some point that would have taken him out of the game.

I understand playing hard, but they played recklessly, especially in the second half. Reckless playing is only good for getting you a loss and getting someone hurt. Fortunately no one got hurt, but you can't play that type of ball against the teams from the coasts. It doesn't work too well.

In my post I said he should have just let him go in for the dunk. And to clarify that it was a dumb move to go up with him.
But ill stick to my guns in the fact that he went for the ball and the situation looked worse because of Kyles momentum and not of any action by Boyle.

[SFL]

That was boyle. and IMO the only reason that looked bad was singler's momentum took him into base. Now granted Boyle should have just let him go up there for the dunk but when he did go up he was going after the ball.

He was beat. Why did he have to foul him? If it had been a number of other teams that they were playing instead of Duke, I'd have guessed that one of SIU's players would have gotten fouled at some point that would have taken him out of the game.

I understand playing hard, but they played recklessly, especially in the second half. Reckless playing is only good for getting you a loss and getting someone hurt. Fortunately no one got hurt, but you can't play that type of ball against the teams from the coasts. It doesn't work too well.

In my post I said he should have just let him go in for the dunk. And to clarify that it was a dumb move to go up with him.
But ill stick to my guns in the fact that he went for the ball and the situation looked worse because of Kyles momentum and not of any action by Boyle.

At least he wasn’t being a wuss like some we know. Yes, it was an aggressive attempt to block/alter the shot, however it didn't appear that any harm was intended. Timing is everything and it did seem to ‘light a fire’ in coach K and Puke.

[SubGod22]

I didn't watch much of the game but I did see the foul by Boyle and it had no business being called intentional. It looked worse because of the momentum and that's obvious because the ref that decided to make that call was the farthest from the play at trail. It was a dumb foul, but shouldn't have been penalized like it was.

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I didn't watch much of the game but I did see the foul by Boyle and it had no business being called intentional. It looked worse because of the momentum and that's obvious because the ref that decided to make that call was the farthest from the play at trail. It was a dumb foul, but shouldn't have been penalized like it was.

I didn't realize it was called intentional. It was dumb, and he's lucky that there wasn't a retaliation foul later on. Duke is far above doing that, but other teams wouldn't be so much.

Those guys need to face it that they got owned. Don't be trying to take some guys head off because he stole the ball and made you look stupid. Let him have his easy 2 and go on with it.

[SubGod22]

At that point in the game they were only down around 9 or so. It's not like it happened after the point of no return.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Which is worse?

1. 3 point loss to UMKC

or

2. 25 point loss to Duke

Just wondering.

[newshock1234]

and it gets worse, SIU gets a pissed off UCLA team tonight

[RoyalShock]

Which is worse?

1. 3 point loss to UMKC

or

2. 25 point loss to Duke

Just wondering.

In terms of what? I think the only way the answer to your question matters is if, 1) Both teams are in at-large contention at the end of the year or 2) we're talking about the same team losing to both UMKC and Duke.

In scenario 1, the UMKC loss is probably worse, if UMKC and Duke have the seasons most expect them to have.

In scenario 2, it depends on what the team in question learned from it.

[ShockerGorilla]

Which is worse?

1. 3 point loss to UMKC

or

2. 25 point loss to Duke

I think losing to a team like UMKC is always worse than losing to a team like Duke. One would hope that UMKC's RPI will be lower than ours at the end of the season, which, in theory, hurts our RPI.