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**newshock1234** · November 7, 2008, 04:18 PM

you should expect it from outsiders. All they see is a bunch of stats from last year and a whole bunch of newcomers. So what exactly are they suppose to think?

**DUShock** · November 7, 2008, 04:20 PM

The Shocks may take their lumps during the holidays but I suspect when March rolls around they will have hunted some heads.

Go Shocks!!!!

**vancedave56** · November 7, 2008, 04:55 PM

My personal opinion is the Valley as whole is going to be much improved this year. Hopefully the teams will take care of their non-conference schedules before we start beating up on each other in league play. I don't want to set my expectations too high, but I don't want to set them to low either.
My gut feeling is that we finish a few games over .500 and in the top half of the league (but I may have to accept something a little short of that and gladly accept a finish better than that). It would not surprise me a whole lot if the Valley had at least 3 teams worthy of NCAA post season play this season (whether or not the get invited is another story).
:goshocks:

**1972Shocker** · November 7, 2008, 05:01 PM

Bulletin Board material for sure. Hopefully, we can prove the pundits wrong but only time will tell for sure.

:goshocks:

**RoyalShock** · November 7, 2008, 05:34 PM

Re: SHOX--PUSHOVERS????

Originally posted by shockar25

I know this isn't an entirely new subject, but the whole 'pushover' label just bothered me a bit. How about you guys?

It bothers me in the sense that I don't like my alma mater and the team I passionately root for to be referred in such a fashion.

But when I take a step back I understand it. Would we object if instead of WSU it said Evansville, Indiana St. or Missouri St.? Probably not. In fact, we'd probably further disparage them for potentially making the Valley look bad.

So, I don't like it. But I understand it.

And I hope we prove that guy wrong!!! :yes:

:wsu_posters:

**SubGod22** · November 7, 2008, 05:44 PM

Predicting this team to go 0-3 is understandable. They're young for sure. But when has a Gregg Marshall coached team ever been considered a pushover? Even last year, as bad as it was, we would never have been called a pushover.

**C0|dB|00ded** · November 7, 2008, 05:44 PM

We seem to be losing respect nationally at an alarming pace. A very discomforting feeling but not unexpected when you finish at the bottom of the lowly Valley.

Please don't remind me of the Valley's RPI because I or the national media could care less...

T

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**C0|dB|00ded** · November 7, 2008, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by SubGod22

Predicting this team to go 0-3 is understandable. They're young for sure. But when has a Gregg Marshall coached team ever been considered a pushover? Even last year, as bad as it was, we would never have been called a pushover.

There were times when our team just flat gave up in games last season, but I'm sure this reporter is not privy to that. His research began and ended with the Valley final standings last year.

You would think he would at least toss in a comment about "Gregg Marshall's teams should never be underestimated" though...

T

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**KC Shox** · November 7, 2008, 06:42 PM

Royal is right, if it was Centenary or K-State :lol: , would we argue? We are inexperienced and undersized. If KSU pushed us around all over the gym, what do you think those Top 25 teams will do to us?

**newshock1234** · November 7, 2008, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded

Originally posted by SubGod22

Predicting this team to go 0-3 is understandable. They're young for sure. But when has a Gregg Marshall coached team ever been considered a pushover? Even last year, as bad as it was, we would never have been called a pushover.

There were times when our team just flat gave up in games last season, but I'm sure this reporter is not privy to that. His research began and ended with the Valley final standings last year.

I completely disagree with this statement. Never did i think we just gave up. The basketball may have not always fell through the basket, but we never gave up.

**C0|dB|00ded** · November 7, 2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by newshock1234

Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded

Originally posted by SubGod22

Predicting this team to go 0-3 is understandable. They're young for sure. But when has a Gregg Marshall coached team ever been considered a pushover? Even last year, as bad as it was, we would never have been called a pushover.

There were times when our team just flat gave up in games last season, but I'm sure this reporter is not privy to that. His research began and ended with the Valley final standings last year.

I completely disagree with this statement. Never did i think we just gave up. The basketball may have not always fell through the basket, but we never gave up.

There were several games last year where we gave up. And I commented on them ad nauseam. I have no reason to lie about this. Most on this fine forum were in agreement as well. I believe the first one was UMKC. I defended the coach and the team when people went totally ape- _ _ _ _. We came out with little effort and even the coach commented about it.

When it happened again later on in the year (I believe at Evansville and at SwoMO -on ESPN2 no less) I said it was the responsibility of the coach to get the team prepared. Those that disagreed with me said it was because of our "stupid", "unskilled" players. I then retorted with "well, then we need to get some good players like they have over at Drake". That smoldering "talking point", which I carried for the rest of the season, eventually got me banned for a period. ;-)

Do you realize we only scored 46 points in a losing effort against Illinois State -At Home? Oh and before somebody starts to bring up Braeuer again, please direct your attention to Jan 5th, 2008.

Oh my.. let's not start talking about last season... I'm going to get all worked up again. This is a brand new season, brand new players, and lots to hope for! :posterwsu:

T

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**ShockerFever** · November 7, 2008, 08:15 PM

OH, so that's why you were gone for so long when you were.. it wasn't because you were down in the dumps or having a life, but it was because you were banned.

OHHHHhhhh..

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**shockar25** · November 7, 2008, 08:29 PM

I never saw them give up. 9 games lost by less than 10 points and several close overtime games (late in the season too, when a team who has given up I would think would've cashed it in) to me are not indicative of a team that has quit. As heartbreaking and frustrating as last season was, I never thought that the guys stopped trying. They just didn't have near enough weapons to finish those games. They played hard given their limitations (injuries, lack of any significant bench). My opinion, and obviously others have theirs which is fine of course.

Now, on this year--I don't like the pushover label because as others have pointed out, Marshall's teams get after it. That's clear. They have more (inexperienced maybe, which will create other problems in consistency I think) weapons and scoring threats by a large margin over last year.

I also like the idea that they are eager to learn, and for the most part, they appear to be hard workers and those two things will be the key to success over the long haul. It's just a matter of time I think, but how much time is what no one knows.

We may not win a lot of games in Orlando, but I think we'll get after it like HCGM's teams are always known for. It should be fun to watch as long as we all realize that they are a work in progress.

I do understand how some analysts who don't know the program might say that, but in my opinion it won't be that way in reality.

**C0|dB|00ded** · November 7, 2008, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by ShockerFever

OH, so that's why you were gone for so long when you were.. it wasn't because you were down in the dumps or having a life, but it was because you were banned.

OHHHHhhhh..

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I was banned for 30 days. I didn't post for months after I was unbanned. Strangely, it was over a very similar topic to what we are discussing now. :)

T

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