Déjà vu -- Darrel Arthur vs. Ozell Jones -- HS Transcript?

[Indy23]

KU's proud history of cheating continues. Any given year you know they are cheating, it's just a matter of which player it involves.

You wish, buddy. Check the story. KU didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA Clearinghouse said he was eligible. End of story for KU. This might have ramifications for South Oak Cliff, but not for KU. The only possible way KU could be in trouble is if it is proven that we had anything to do with the changing of his grades, and KU didn't start recruiting him until late in the process, so I'm confident that won't happen.

The banner will still hang. Sorry guys.

I love phog.net groupthink. Aww shucks, we didn't do anything wrong.

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.

14.1.2.3.1 Institutional Responsibility. An institution is responsible for promptly reporting all discrepancies in information used in a student-athlete's initial-eligibility certification to the NCAA Eligibility Center. Discrepancies in information include, but are not limited to, corrections, additions, potential academic misconduct with regard to high schools attended, grades, completion of coursework or test scores. (Adopted: 4/27/06, Revised: 5/9/07)

14.11.4.2 Penalty for Ineligible Participation or Receipt of Improper Aid. A student-athlete who practices or competes in intercollegiate athletics and/or receives institutional financial assistance (based in some degree on athletics ability) while ineligible for such aid, practice or competition per Bylaw 14.3 shall be charged with the loss of one year of eligibility for practice and varsity competition for each year gained improperly. The student-athlete shall be declared ineligible at the time it is determined that eligibility was gained improperly. Prior to declaring the student-athlete ineligible, the institution may provide the student-athlete an opportunity for a hearing. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for a reduction in the period of ineligibility. (Revised: 4/26/01)

Swing and a big miss, Saul. Do you even read these rules? As clearly is spelled out by you, KU isn't at fault if they don't know about it. They never received any information that the grade was changed, and didn't have a cause to believe Arthur's grades were changed. KU didn't know about this until yesterday.

If you're thinking KU will be punished for a high school grade change they didn't know about, then you can expect every NCAA institution to get the same punishment, because star athletes get special treatment all the time.

[Saulbadguy]

KU's proud history of cheating continues. Any given year you know they are cheating, it's just a matter of which player it involves.

You wish, buddy. Check the story. KU didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA Clearinghouse said he was eligible. End of story for KU. This might have ramifications for South Oak Cliff, but not for KU. The only possible way KU could be in trouble is if it is proven that we had anything to do with the changing of his grades, and KU didn't start recruiting him until late in the process, so I'm confident that won't happen.

The banner will still hang. Sorry guys.

I love phog.net groupthink. Aww shucks, we didn't do anything wrong.

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.

14.1.2.3.1 Institutional Responsibility. An institution is responsible for promptly reporting all discrepancies in information used in a student-athlete's initial-eligibility certification to the NCAA Eligibility Center. Discrepancies in information include, but are not limited to, corrections, additions, potential academic misconduct with regard to high schools attended, grades, completion of coursework or test scores. (Adopted: 4/27/06, Revised: 5/9/07)

14.11.4.2 Penalty for Ineligible Participation or Receipt of Improper Aid. A student-athlete who practices or competes in intercollegiate athletics and/or receives institutional financial assistance (based in some degree on athletics ability) while ineligible for such aid, practice or competition per Bylaw 14.3 shall be charged with the loss of one year of eligibility for practice and varsity competition for each year gained improperly. The student-athlete shall be declared ineligible at the time it is determined that eligibility was gained improperly. Prior to declaring the student-athlete ineligible, the institution may provide the student-athlete an opportunity for a hearing. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for a reduction in the period of ineligibility. (Revised: 4/26/01)

Swing and a big miss, Saul. Do you even read these rules? As clearly is spelled out by you, KU isn't at fault if they don't know about it. They never received any information that the grade was changed, and didn't have a cause to believe Arthur's grades were changed. KU didn't know about this until yesterday.

If you're thinking KU will be punished for a high school grade change, then you can expect every NCAA institution to get the same punishment, because star athletes get special treatment all the time.

Yeah, i'm sure they had no idea, especially since they had been recruiting him for a couple years.

[Indy23]

KU's proud history of cheating continues. Any given year you know they are cheating, it's just a matter of which player it involves.

You wish, buddy. Check the story. KU didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA Clearinghouse said he was eligible. End of story for KU. This might have ramifications for South Oak Cliff, but not for KU. The only possible way KU could be in trouble is if it is proven that we had anything to do with the changing of his grades, and KU didn't start recruiting him until late in the process, so I'm confident that won't happen.

The banner will still hang. Sorry guys.

I love phog.net groupthink. Aww shucks, we didn't do anything wrong.

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.

14.1.2.3.1 Institutional Responsibility. An institution is responsible for promptly reporting all discrepancies in information used in a student-athlete's initial-eligibility certification to the NCAA Eligibility Center. Discrepancies in information include, but are not limited to, corrections, additions, potential academic misconduct with regard to high schools attended, grades, completion of coursework or test scores. (Adopted: 4/27/06, Revised: 5/9/07)

14.11.4.2 Penalty for Ineligible Participation or Receipt of Improper Aid. A student-athlete who practices or competes in intercollegiate athletics and/or receives institutional financial assistance (based in some degree on athletics ability) while ineligible for such aid, practice or competition per Bylaw 14.3 shall be charged with the loss of one year of eligibility for practice and varsity competition for each year gained improperly. The student-athlete shall be declared ineligible at the time it is determined that eligibility was gained improperly. Prior to declaring the student-athlete ineligible, the institution may provide the student-athlete an opportunity for a hearing. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for a reduction in the period of ineligibility. (Revised: 4/26/01)

Swing and a big miss, Saul. Do you even read these rules? As clearly is spelled out by you, KU isn't at fault if they don't know about it. They never received any information that the grade was changed, and didn't have a cause to believe Arthur's grades were changed. KU didn't know about this until yesterday.

If you're thinking KU will be punished for a high school grade change, then you can expect every NCAA institution to get the same punishment, because star athletes get special treatment all the time.

Yeah, i'm sure they had no idea, especially since they had been recruiting him for a couple years.

:cry:

Revert to conjecture after your touchdown post gets picked off like a Freeman pass. Perfect KSU form.

[Saulbadguy]

KU's proud history of cheating continues. Any given year you know they are cheating, it's just a matter of which player it involves.

You wish, buddy. Check the story. KU didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA Clearinghouse said he was eligible. End of story for KU. This might have ramifications for South Oak Cliff, but not for KU. The only possible way KU could be in trouble is if it is proven that we had anything to do with the changing of his grades, and KU didn't start recruiting him until late in the process, so I'm confident that won't happen.

The banner will still hang. Sorry guys.

I love phog.net groupthink. Aww shucks, we didn't do anything wrong.

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.

14.1.2.3.1 Institutional Responsibility. An institution is responsible for promptly reporting all discrepancies in information used in a student-athlete's initial-eligibility certification to the NCAA Eligibility Center. Discrepancies in information include, but are not limited to, corrections, additions, potential academic misconduct with regard to high schools attended, grades, completion of coursework or test scores. (Adopted: 4/27/06, Revised: 5/9/07)

14.11.4.2 Penalty for Ineligible Participation or Receipt of Improper Aid. A student-athlete who practices or competes in intercollegiate athletics and/or receives institutional financial assistance (based in some degree on athletics ability) while ineligible for such aid, practice or competition per Bylaw 14.3 shall be charged with the loss of one year of eligibility for practice and varsity competition for each year gained improperly. The student-athlete shall be declared ineligible at the time it is determined that eligibility was gained improperly. Prior to declaring the student-athlete ineligible, the institution may provide the student-athlete an opportunity for a hearing. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for a reduction in the period of ineligibility. (Revised: 4/26/01)

Swing and a big miss, Saul. Do you even read these rules? As clearly is spelled out by you, KU isn't at fault if they don't know about it. They never received any information that the grade was changed, and didn't have a cause to believe Arthur's grades were changed. KU didn't know about this until yesterday.

If you're thinking KU will be punished for a high school grade change, then you can expect every NCAA institution to get the same punishment, because star athletes get special treatment all the time.

Yeah, i'm sure they had no idea, especially since they had been recruiting him for a couple years.

:cry:

Revert to conjecture after your touchdown post gets picked off like a Freeman pass. Perfect KSU form.

When it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

When you are dealing with a school that has had its basketball program get its AD put on probation so many times...

Well, you get the picture.

[Indy23]

Speaking of ducks, how are Freeman's passes looking this spring?

[wu_shizzle]

I must be lost, Isn't this where we talk about Wichita State Basketball?

[HockeyShock]

I must be lost, Isn't this where we talk about Wichita State Basketball?

Today, on Shockernet, hot troll-on-troll action!

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[SubGod22]

WSU did take a hit because of the same thing with Ozell. KU will not be punished though because the NCAA has no stones.

[sekshoxfan]

I must be lost, Isn't this where we talk about Wichita State Basketball?

Today, on Shockernet, hot troll-on-troll action!

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[KC Shox]

I love seeing KU and KSU fans dook it out. Saul and Indy have been posters on this board for awhile, let them square off. However, I do think KU is off the hook on this one, (asumming they did not know about the grade change).

[ShockerKhan]

O Jones had a problem with the way the GPA was calculated by the high school. They included PE courses in the calculation. If I remember correctly the NCAA had no problem with using the PE grades if it was the same for ALL students. Ozelle's school normally did NOT use PE in the GPA calculation but did for Ozelle.

[7hottamales]

I love seeing KU and KSU fans dook it out. Saul and Indy have been posters on this board for awhile, let them square off. However, I do think KU is off the hook on this one, (asumming they did not know about the grade change).

Yeah, I'm sure there are improprieties to be discovered at KU, but this one is a huge stretch to put on them.

[boyshocker]

At least we know what kind of athlete to recruit to win a NC, you just have to wonder if they will look at his college work now.
Saul should be careful, ksu is the only school I know where you can get a dui degree.

[rrshock]

My question is this: For anyone that signed the clearinghouse form, was there a place that, by signing, ackowledged that everything being submitted was true? If this is so, then he knowingly signed that paper stating things were correct, when in turn they weren't. This makes him guilty of forging a transcript and knowingly attending a university when he wasn't eligible to attend or play ball. This is what will get KU if anything is done.

[vbird53]

The adverse affects of these types of situations most likely won't touch Darrell or KU. The problem with this type of situation is what occurs to high school kids that are touted as the next superstar, and don't live up to the hype (for whatever reason). Then, they're left without a "true" high school diploma, much less a college degree, plus no basketball check coming to them.