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  • #46
    Originally posted by asiseeit View Post
    Prefer two groups. Players first. Stallworth, McDaniel, Pelfrey and Armstrong.
    Coaches next. Miller, GM, GS and Parcells based on career success
    What did parcells do at wichita state that is worthy of anything?

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    • #47
      Coaches & Administrators: Ralph Miller, Gene Stephenson, Gregg Marshall and Jim Schaus (Honoarable Mention: Kerry Rosenboom, Grier Jones, Chris Lamb and Steve Rainbolt)
      Players (Foundation Builders and Lasting Legacies): Linwood Sexton, Cleo Littleton, Dave Stallworth, Xavier McDaniel (Honorable Mention: Antoine Carr, Eric Wedge, Phil Stephenson, Joe Carter, Fred VanVleet and Ron Baker)

      I think numerous others could added to the honorable mention list. For example: Alex Harden in WBB, Sarah Younes, Mary Elizabeth Hooper, Sara Lungren. Emily Stockman and Kelly Broussard in VB. And numerous others from other sports.

      Then you have the ancillary contributors like Mike Kennedy, Gus Grebe, Roland Banks, Tom Vanderhoofven, etc.

      Very hard to come up with a Top 4 in any category. I guess that is why we have the Pizza Hut Shocker Sports Hall of Fame instead of a Mount Shockmore. Perhaps that is good enough. The important thing is not to dilute the Hall of Fame. Make sure inductees have truly excelled and contributied positively to the Legacy of Shocker sports.

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      • #48
        We need a bigger mountain!

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
          Put up Stephenson.

          I think you could start on the general likeness of Marshall. By the time you finished Gene, you'd probably know if you should finish or not.

          Save the other two spots. If you finish Marshall, put up Schaus.

          Hold the 4th.
          Nah. Marshall could retire today and he would deserve to be part of any "Big 4".

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
            Nah. Marshall could retire today and he would deserve to be part of any "Big 4".
            I just hope he never lives to see the day that the team doesn't win all the time. Apparently, we may just fire him instead of letting him finish his legacy in his own time.

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            • #51
              1) Gene
              2) Gregg

              Then the debate starts.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
                1) Gene
                2) Gregg

                Then the debate starts.
                Agree 100%

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
                  This idea took a left turn quickly.

                  Underwater Badminton:
                  1. Bob "Baby Ruth" Spanger
                  2. Freddie "Flotsam if you Gotsam" Weaver
                  3. Torvu, the Graceful
                  4. Steve
                  For some the glass is half full and for others half empty. My glass is out of ice.
                  - said no one ever...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
                    1) Gene
                    2) Gregg

                    Then the debate starts.
                    It's too bad bowling has been a secondary / club sport over the years, because otherwise my fellow high school bowler Gordon Vadakin would have to be considered too. Look him up sometime -- there are very few people in Wichita (not just WSU) sports history with a record as distinguished as his, and in Vadakin's case it's both as a player (although admittedly not at WSU, because he essentially created WSU bowling) and as a coach with more national championships than you can shake a stick at.

                    As it, though, Jamar has it right (hear that, JH?): you start with Gene and Gregg (yes, 3G already, just as the same could have been said about Stephenson a third of the way through his career), and you go from there to a number of candidates. But none more deserving than those two.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by jdshock View Post
                      A couple of the times Jake White got called for a blocking foul, he'd been stationary long enough to have his likeness carved into stone.
                      VERY good line!!!!!:)

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Shocktheheck View Post
                        Gregg Marshall
                        Dave Stallworth
                        Willie Jefferies - 1st AA D1 coach
                        Xavier McDaniel

                        Without a lot of thought, off the top of my head these names stick out the most.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO_bnqLjX-M


                        When I see your post that includes Willie Jefferies, I remember how exciting and talented "The Prince" was at the QB position. Speaking of masterful QB in terms of basketball, FVV was our best overall pg and ball handler in Shocker History IMO.
                        Shocker basketball will forever be my favorite team in all of sports.

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                        • #57
                          I still think that Dave Stallworth is an undisputed #3 since he was probably the first national superstar for the Shockers, but I suppose that I could listen to arguments for others to be listed ahead of him.
                          78-65

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by WSUwatcher View Post
                            It's too bad bowling has been a secondary / club sport over the years, because otherwise my fellow high school bowler Gordon Vadakin would have to be considered too. Look him up sometime -- there are very few people in Wichita (not just WSU) sports history with a record as distinguished as his, and in Vadakin's case it's both as a player (although admittedly not at WSU, because he essentially created WSU bowling) and as a coach with more national championships than you can shake a stick at.

                            As it, though, Jamar has it right (hear that, JH?): you start with Gene and Gregg (yes, 3G already, just as the same could have been said about Stephenson a third of the way through his career), and you go from there to a number of candidates. But none more deserving than those two.
                            While very deserving of the accolades you mention, along with Mark Lewis, competitive collegiate bowling at WSU did exist prior, back when the lanes were not-so-affectionately known as the "Doggie 8". My former WSU teammate Paul Waliczek became head coach in the early 70s (Gordon and Vicki Schmit later to become his very able assistants). The women's program won a National Title in 1975 and 2nd place in 1976. No doubt about it though, Gordon became head coach in 1977 and took it to the top.

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                            • #59
                              Cleo Littleton was the first player west of the Mississippi to score 2,000 points in his career. The tribulations of being African American during his career made that accomplishment even more difficult.
                              "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                              ---------------------------------------
                              Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                              "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                              A physician called into a radio show and said:
                              "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
                                Cleo Littleton was the first player west of the Mississippi to score 2,000 points in his career. The tribulations of being African American during his career made that accomplishment even more difficult.
                                Linwood Sexton went through those same trial and tribulations.

                                The strength of character and class those two exhibited in dealing with those trials and tribulations is certainly worthy of recognition.

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