Other Valley Conference Games Thread 2016-2017

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Because the difference between 60 and 90 doesn't matter this year. The difference between 49 and 51 probably doesn't even matter this year. The resume is too weak for anything but sheer volume of wins and name recognition to matter.

That's a nice theory, but totally unsubstantiated. Just because you say "it doesn't matter" doesn't make it true.

[Cdizzle]

That's a nice theory, but totally unsubstantiated. Just because you say "it doesn't matter" doesn't make it true.

That's fair. And UNI fans are justified in believing their at-large hopes are still alive.

[WheatShock]

Where in the world do some of you come up with the idea that WSU is unaffected if they have 2 wins over #60, vs 2 wins over #90? Considering that these are literally going to be WSU's only top 100 wins of the season, how can you possibly say it makes no difference?

Everyone understands that it matters, but I think the fear is that it won't be enough to tip the scales in our favor if we don't win in St. Louis.

[ShockerFever]

Where in the world do some of you come up with the idea that WSU is unaffected if they have 2 wins over #60, vs 2 wins over #90? Considering that these are literally going to be WSU's only top 100 wins of the season, how can you possibly say it makes no difference?

Dumb on all sorts of levels.

Yep, definitely bored.

[SHOCKvalue]

I too hate the drag the MVC is on our program, but I think some of you need to take a deep breath and go watch some puppy videos or something.

Amazing the change in tone due to the OSU debacle... a single freaking game. We've lost a total of three games - all to solid teams, two away from home - and we're otherwise curb-stomping the balance of the remainder.

Lay off the RPI juice; it is an antiquated metric that has less and less utility every year, including by the selection committee. We are represented quite well in other, more advanced ranking methodologies (Kenpom #24, Halsametrics #19, Sagarin #22).

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

@SHOCKvalue, while I appreciate your sentiment, the point remains that WSU is hanging onto its at-large hopes by a thread. None of us want to have to see 3 wins in St. Louis become a requirement to go dancing. This team is good enough to win games in March. We want to see them get that opportunity.

Stomping bad teams is a good thing, but WSU is 0-3 vs 3 NCAA level teams (giving OSU the benefit of the doubt here as they are far from an NCAA lock), and none of the 3 involved the opponent's home court. It is very possible WSU has yet to beat even an NIT level team so far. A KenPom in the 20s isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card for a resume like that. Sure, it helps, but things like ISUr's RPI, and even WSU's RPI, matter as well.

[ShockerPhi]

Until the Selection Committee starts using KenPom more than they do RPI for a resume, I'll quit worrying about RPI. I want to not worry about RPI, because it's awful, but unfortunately the committee still uses it for resume purposes.

[WuDrWu]

RPI is ONE tool, and one tool only. Like Gottlieb. He's just one tool. You don't only have to listen to him.

Eye test, road wins, setting up a challenging schedule (ie trying to schedule, especially in the non-con since it's the only place you have control), other methodologies as described by @SHOCKvalue:.....all these tools matter.

Just improve and win. Those are the controllables. And I'm begging you....can we PLEASE stop with the 29-4, 28-5, 27-6 won't get us an at large garbage?

I get this is a message board and I concede that 7 or more losses is troubling at a minimum, but these guys haven't lost a single Valley game yet. Can we at least postpone the burial until they do?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen off the air.



Or on the line.

On line.

That's a million dollar idea.

Billion dollar.

[ShockdaWorld]

I just want to one day be in St. Louis on a Sunday afternoon in early March as the Shox are kicking somebody's ass on their way to winning their last MVC tourney championship, cheering along with all the other Shocker fans, "AAC, AAC, AAC, AAC!!!"

[ShockerFever]

I just want to one day be in St. Louis on a Sunday afternoon in early March as the Shox are kicking somebody's ass on their way to winning their last MVC tourney championship, cheering along with all the other Shocker fans, "AAC, AAC, AAC, AAC!!!"

The ultimate final FU to the conference. Love it.

[1972Shocker]

RPI is ONE tool, and one tool only. Like Gottlieb. He's just one tool. You don't only have to listen to him.

(ie trying to schedule, especially in the non-con since it's the only place you have control)

Unfortunately, you don't have total control since it takes two to tango. We do need to quit scheduling the MEAC and SWAC teams if at all possible IMHO.

[WSUwatcher]

Like Gottlieb. He's just one tool...

And not the sharpest tool in the shed, I might add.

Best line in quite a while, Doc -- kudos.

[tropicalshox]

23-5 Illinois State over Indiana State.

[WheatShock]

Jailbirds up 47-24 at halftime.

[Mr. Pickle]

OU down to K state 14-3 early

Edit: whoops, wrong thread