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[Tman87]

Our MBB revenues are middle of the pack to top 1/3rd in the context to the AAC and MWC. I'd make a bet WSU basketball pulls in more cash flow than the bottom 1/4th to 1/3rd of the P5 schools. The data is out there via the Equity in Athletics site, but I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole right now.

Right, that is the problem, Power 5 schools get more of their revenue from CFB. Which is shared with the entire athletic department and benefits their basketball team more than just their MBB revenue. That is what I meant by our revenues being lower. MBB revenues go into a school's athletic department, just as the revenues from the other sports do so it's not practical speak in terms of just MBB revenues when it doesn't really account for a program's wealth.

[SHOCKvalue]

Right, that is the problem, Power 5 schools get more of their revenue from CFB. Which is shared with the entire athletic department and benefits their basketball team more than just their MBB revenue. That is what I meant by our revenues being lower. MBB revenues go into a school's athletic department, just as the revenues from the other sports do so it's not practical speak in terms of just MBB revenues when it doesn't really account for a program's wealth.

Most MBB programs spend pretty close to what they bring in, in the context of the balance sheet reported to the DOE, and reported via the Equity in Athletics site. What would be the point of taking from one program, to give to another, within the same athletic department (at least in regards to sports that are revenue generating)? College athletic departments are non-profit; it is not as if they are trying to amass a huge slush account, or pay dividends to shareholders.

[choida]

Let's see. SFA pays Underwood 400k. Marshall 3.2 million. What mid major are you talking about.

Only thing mid major is the Valley

[Tman87]

Most MBB programs spend pretty close to what they bring in, in the context of the balance sheet reported to the DOE, and reported via the Equity in Athletics site. What would be the point of taking from one program, to give to another, within the same athletic department (at least in regards to sports that are revenue generating)? College athletic departments are non-profit; it is not as if they are trying to amass a huge slush account, or pay dividends to shareholders.

That's not close to true. I lived in Austin Texas for a couple years. Obviously their resources are very nice. They academic resource centers where the students study, get tutored, etc. are immaculate and used by all sports, but paid for the football program. New athletic dorms that the women's basketball team lives in - the WBB isn't paying for that. The have some of the best athletic trainers, nutrionists, and training facilities, used by all sports but whose revenue is primarily responsible for all this? The football team. I'm saying a large and wealthy athletic department helps ALL of the programs. They don't segregate the accounts so only the volleyball team gets to use the resources proportional to their contribution to the athletic department. No, that's not how it works. Now obviously the football will get their practice facilities and stadium upgraded before any other sport but the MBB and other programs are definitely definitely helped by the huge revenues the football program brings into the athletic department.

[Tman87]

Only thing mid major is the Valley

And that's all that matters unfortunately...

[Tman87]

Most MBB programs spend pretty close to what they bring in, in the context of the balance sheet reported to the DOE, and reported via the Equity in Athletics site. What would be the point of taking from one program, to give to another, within the same athletic department (at least in regards to sports that are revenue generating)? College athletic departments are non-profit; it is not as if they are trying to amass a huge slush account, or pay dividends to shareholders.

We are getting away from the point though. Revenue or not, unfortunately we are still in the Missouri Valley. I know we like to puff our chests out and say "we are not a mid-major" and most agree and have seen we can beat the blue bloods every year, but there are obvious benefits to coaching in a power five conference. One of which is the ability to have a very mediocre year and still make the tournament as an 8 seed (ie. Texas Tech). If WSU moves to the A-10 then I think we become a possible landing spot for a coach like Underwood.

[SHOCKvalue]

That's not close to true. I lived in Austin Texas for a couple years. Obviously their resources are very nice. They academic resource centers where the students study, get tutored, etc. are immaculate and used by all sports, but paid for the football program. New athletic dorms that the women's basketball team lives in - the WBB isn't paying for that. The have some of the best athletic trainers, nutrionists, and training facilities, used by all sports but whose revenue is primarily responsible for all this? The football team. I'm saying a large and wealthy athletic department helps ALL of the programs. They don't segregate the accounts so only the volleyball team gets to use the resources proportional to their contribution to the athletic department. No, that's not how it works. Now obviously the football will get their practice facilities and stadium upgraded before any other sport but the MBB and other programs are definitely definitely helped by the huge revenues the football program brings into the athletic department.

I like how you used literally the most wealthy athletic department in the country to buttress your side of a discussion who's context was WSU/AAC/MWC.

[newshock1234]

Gregg Marshall had just as much of success at Winthrop as Underwood has had at SFA. We landed him when he had a opportunity at other Power 5 schools.

[SHOCKvalue]

If WSU moves to the A-10 then I think we become a possible landing spot for a coach like Underwood.

Love your... uh... optimism and insight into the state of WSU MBB. Here's to hoping, right?

[Tman87]

I like how you used literally the most wealthy athletic department in the country to buttress your side of a discussion who's context was WSU/AAC/MWC.

That is just where I lived. Name any other school from the Big 12, including Kansas, and they benefit from the football revenue. Yes even Kansas because they get a lot of revenue from the TV deals and the bowl game revenue is shared among all the teams.

[Tman87]

Love your... uh... optimism and insight into the state of WSU MBB. Here's to hoping, right?

Hey man I am just being realistic. I don't know why we are even having this argument. I am extremely confident, as things stand now, that Gregg Marshall is not going anywhere and will be our coach next season. So although the Underwood argument is intriguing, I think it is purely academic.

[pinstripers]

Underwood wouldn't go from one mid-major to another. He is either staying at SFA or taking a job at a P5 school. WSU is a better program than SFA, sure, but without any connections to WSU he would take a P5 job over a missouri valley gig.

he grew up in McPherson

[fansince80s]

We are getting away from the point though. Revenue or not, unfortunately we are still in the Missouri Valley. I know we like to puff our chests out and say "we are not a mid-major" and most agree and have seen we can beat the blue bloods every year, but there are obvious benefits to coaching in a power five conference. One of which is the ability to have a very mediocre year and still make the tournament as an 8 seed (ie. Texas Tech). If WSU moves to the A-10 then I think we become a possible landing spot for a coach like Underwood.

Smart goes to Texas has a mediocre year = 6 seed

[shockmonster]

Hey man I am just being realistic. I don't know why we are even having this argument. I am extremely confident, as things stand now, that Gregg Marshall is not going anywhere and will be our coach next season. So although the Underwood argument is intriguing, I think it is purely academic.

I'm beginning to smell a very large RODENT here. For anyone to compare SFA with WSU is one of the most moronic arguments I've ever heard. SFA isn't even in the same STRATOSPHERE as WSU.

[AndShock]

Marshall wouldn't go from one mid-major to another. He is either staying at Winthrop or taking a job at a P5 school. WSU is a better program than Winthrop, sure, but without any connections to WSU he would take a P5 job over a missouri valley gig.

hmm