How Different Are These 2 Resumes?

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I would guess that B is Wichita State if it wins out and wins Arch Madness...but WSU will only have 26 countable wins if that scenario plays out.

We have a winner. Team B is indeed 2016 WSU. I counted all wins, even D2 wins, in the W/L record, thus the 27 wins total. All of Team B's stats are assuming WSU wins out and wins St. Louis. RPI and KenPom are reasonable estimates of what they would be at that point.

Now, about that team A...

[Kel Varnsen]

Is Team A 2012 WSU? Has to be.

[_kai_]

Dayton?

[_kai_]

Or South Carolina.

[Signman]

We have a winner. Team B is indeed 2016 WSU. I counted all wins, even D2 wins, in the W/L record, thus the 27 wins total. All of Team B's stats are assuming WSU wins out and wins St. Louis. RPI and KenPom are reasonable estimates of what they would be at that point.

Now, about that team A...

Kansas, loses to OU, and goes 1-1 in the B12 tourney wow this is wrong. It has to be 2012 WSU

[AndShock]

It doesn't look like anyone in the top 50, let alone the top 20 is going to finish 0-0 against the top 25. WSU 2012 is the best guess.

(SMU will but they're ineligible so I hope we aren't looking at their resume)

[Kel Varnsen]

It doesn't look like anyone in the top 50, let alone the top 20 is going to finish 0-0 against the top 25. WSU 2012 is the best guess.

That was the giveaway for me.

[_kai_]

It doesn't look like anyone in the top 50, let alone the top 20 is going to finish 0-0 against the top 25. WSU 2012 is the best guess.

(SMU will but they're ineligible so I hope we aren't looking at their resume)

Totally looked over the 0-0 vs top 50. Yeah WSU '12.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Is Team A 2012 WSU? Has to be.

Another winner!

This was a 2012 WSU vs 2016 WSU comparison. Note that 2012 WSU received a 5 seed as the #19 team on the committee's S-Curve.

I just thought this was an interesting way to look at it. Obviously, year-to-year comparisons have their limitations, but it would seem that most people on this board like WSU's chances of being a 6 or 7 seed if they win out, and that is purely based on a blind paper resume without any mention of injuries. Who knows just how much of a boost WSU might get from the committee once they account for the games Fred, Conner, Anton (and maybe Landry) missed.

I really, really, really wish WSU could have pulled out a win in Normal, but if the Shox win their next 9, they should be looking at a nice seed and hopefully no matchups vs 1s or 2s in the first weekend.

[rayc]

Team A, Wichita State last year.

Team B, Wichita State this year.

At least the RPI's and KenPom numbers look familiar.


edit: Well, I was late posting, but the idea was close.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

	2012 WSU	2015 WSU	2016 WSU
NCAA Seed	5	7
S-Curve Rank	19	26
Record	27-5	28-4	27-6
SOS	81	81	105
RPI	12	17	25
KenPom	9	14	10
vs 1-25	0-0	1-2	0-1
vs 26-50	2-3	0-0	1-3
vs 51-100	9-1	6-2	4-1
vs 101-150	8-1	6-0	10-1
vs 151+	8-0	15-0	12-0

Here is the data with 2015 WSU added.

[ShockTalk]

I was having a hard time making the numbers work for the same year. Now I know why.

It appeared that both teams came from similar conferences, had the same problem of having a larger number of high quality RPI games, so I assumed any seeding down away from their RPIs would also be similar. Yes, I said down away from their RPIs. Guessing most none power conferences teams without cred don't get seedings comparable to their higher RPIs. And it was different years.

Different years without non-power conference comparable teams allows more "flexibilities". IMO.

[ShockTalk]

	2012 WSU	2015 WSU	2016 WSU
NCAA Seed	5	7
S-Curve Rank	19	26
Record	27-5	28-4	27-6
SOS	81	81	105
RPI	12	17	25
KenPom	9	14	10
vs 1-25	0-0	1-2	0-1
vs 26-50	2-3	0-0	1-3
vs 51-100	9-1	6-2	4-1
vs 101-150	8-1	6-0	10-1
vs 151+	8-0	15-0	12-0

Here is the data with 2015 WSU added.

So, based on 2012 and 2015, would 2016 WSU deserve a 6....a 7? If we get a 6, the committee will have definitely considered the injuries, maybe even if we get a 7.