WSU Versus Indiana State Predictions and Pregame Discussions

[WstateU]

There is only a finite amount of money that the University/State will give to athletcs in Indiana. If your school isn't named IU or Purdue, you are left to fight for the scraps, and the legislature will not help. When our fundraising arm is as crappy as the ISU Foundation is, fans start to take matters into their own hands. We have a very small, albeit dedicated, group of fans willing to directly fill needs. I'm happy to see that we have people who will step up. Our school certainly won't do anything about it.

I'm hopeful a new AD will be a far more forceful voice for athletic fundraising. But please don't make fun of fans who are simply trying to remedy situations as best we can when faced with University officials who don't seem to care all that much. We're trying!!!

I read about your plight and had already allocated some ‘pocket change’ from my Lotto winnings; unfortunately, I got screwed out of a 1.5 billion+ last night (the wrong kind of screwed). I was ready to take care of you good people.

[Triticum aestivum L.]

Would like to see our starters Take, Bake, Quake (SM), Rattlesnake (EW) and Heartbreak (ZB1) open up a can and jump on them from the opening tip. Extend the lead with Make, Shake, Shotfake (AG), Poundcake (RK) and No Brake (TT). Finish them off with Cheesecake (RN), Snowflake (ZB5), Backache (BW), Beefsteak (EH) and Handshake (JRS). Cornflake (PA), Doubletake (LS) and Pancake (BB) will sit this one out.

@forevershockerfan - I didn't want to leave anyone out :glee:

Hope for a competitive game, still think Shocks win handily in this one 81-66.

[Kung Wu]

There is only a finite amount of money that the University/State will give to athletcs in Indiana. If your school isn't named IU or Purdue, you are left to fight for the scraps, and the legislature will not help. When our fundraising arm is as crappy as the ISU Foundation is, fans start to take matters into their own hands. We have a very small, albeit dedicated, group of fans willing to directly fill needs. I'm happy to see that we have people who will step up. Our school certainly won't do anything about it.

I'm hopeful a new AD will be a far more forceful voice for athletic fundraising. But please don't make fun of fans who are simply trying to remedy situations as best we can when faced with University officials who don't seem to care all that much. We're trying!!!

Not making fun of you, just thinking there is a better way. Making phone calls to the legislature, sending personal letters en masse to your president and representatives, setting up appointments with your representatives and arming yourselves with the numbers -- that will lead to permanent change. Throwing pennies at a $100 problem is less affective, IMHO. UNLESS you can get media to cover your story and sort of _shame_ your representatives into helping.

[WstateU]

There is only a finite amount of money that the University/State will give to athletcs in Indiana. If your school isn't named IU or Purdue, you are left to fight for the scraps, and the legislature will not help. When our fundraising arm is as crappy as the ISU Foundation is, fans start to take matters into their own hands. We have a very small, albeit dedicated, group of fans willing to directly fill needs. I'm happy to see that we have people who will step up. Our school certainly won't do anything about it.

I'm hopeful a new AD will be a far more forceful voice for athletic fundraising. But please don't make fun of fans who are simply trying to remedy situations as best we can when faced with University officials who don't seem to care all that much. We're trying!!!

If I'm totally off base here, don't hesitate to let me know...

“Anybody here seen my old friend Larry?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill
with Magic, Bill and Michael
But now it appears he’s gone..."





Dammit Larry - Do the right thing! You were one of my all-time favorites; please step up and help.


"For Bird, the best part of the weekend may have come when Bradley announced that a fundraising dinner had raised $400,000 to endow the Larry Legend Scholarship to support future basketball players from Indiana.

"If they reach their dreams like I did, I'll be very happy," he said."

http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209305549

[shocka khan]

Not making fun of you, just thinking there is a better way. Making phone calls to the legislature, sending personal letters en masse to your president and representatives, setting up appointments with your representatives and arming yourselves with the numbers -- that will lead to permanent change. Throwing pennies at a $100 problem is less affective, IMHO. UNLESS you can get media to cover your story and sort of _shame_ your representatives into helping.

I think you need to widen your perspective, Kung. Like Kansas, Indiana has two flagships, Purdue and Indiana. But over and above that, there's Indiana State, Ball State and UIPUI. In addition there are a number of Pittsburg State sized schools. There are too many schools fighting for the money pot. Ball State, by itself, is 25,000 students.

ISUb, in all likelihood, faces a much tougher funding battle in Indiana. Plus, with the number of tea party representatives, the pot has gotten smaller, as tea partiers tend to be fiscally conservative, so there's that, too.

[shocka khan]

Enrollment
Ball State - 21,000
IUPUI - 30,000
Indiana State - 13,500

ISUb has to fight 4 larger schools for funding. This is much worse than WSU. When I was going to school at WSU, we tried and failed to get a law school and a medical school. At the time, it was very obvious that politics were at work.

When you're #5, it gets more difficult to overcome the politics.

[Kung Wu]

I think you need to widen your perspective, Kung. Like Kansas, Indiana has two flagships, Purdue and Indiana. But over and above that, there's Indiana State, Ball State and UIPUI. In addition there are a number of Pittsburg State sized schools. There are too many schools fighting for the money pot. Ball State, by itself, is 25,000 students.

ISUb, in all likelihood, faces a much tougher funding battle in Indiana. Plus, with the number of tea party representatives, the pot has gotten smaller, as tea partiers tend to be fiscally conservative, so there's that, too.

I'm not giving any mindshare to solving their problem. I'll just fall in line and wish them the best.

[WstateU]

Enrollment
Ball State - 21,000
IUPUI - 30,000
Indiana State - 13,500

ISUb has to fight 4 larger schools for funding. This is much worse than WSU. When I was going to school at WSU, we tried and failed to get a law school and a medical school. At the time, it was very obvious that politics were at work.

When you're #5, it gets more difficult to overcome the politics.

Size doesn’t always matter; just ask my wife. :)

[forevershockerfan]

In terms of the Valley Race this weekend, here is how I want the cow to eat the cabbage. Since The Redbirds are so talented from 1-12, I want them to win a home game with incoming Evansville. Next, the Bulldogs at home are to defeat S. Illinois and this will be okay with me. Of course as already stated here, the Shocks will take care of their own business this weekend too. This would give us a nice 2 game lead over the closest foe. Then it is on to N. Iowa for us.

[AndShock]

The ISUb fans on this board have always been great but some of the fans on their board are getting a bit too big for their britches. Would love a reality check for them on Sunday. Has anyone mentioned ISUb's "We Want Wichita" chant yet? Put that one on the bulletin board.

[Stickboy46]

In terms of the Valley Race this weekend, here is how I want the cow to eat the cabbage. Since The Redbirds are so talented from 1-12, I want them to win a home game with incoming Evansville. Next, the Bulldogs at home are to defeat S. Illinois and this will be okay with me. Of course as already stated here, the Shocks will take care of their own business this weekend too. This would give us a nice 2 game lead over the closest foe. Then it is on to N. Iowa for us.

The best thing for us is to have Evansvilles only 2 conference losses to be to us. That should keep their RPI in the Top 100. If they fall out, our only top 100 win will be Utah

[wufan]

In the preseason, one of the ISUb posters stated that Brown was one of the best guards in the league. He's very good. I did, however, point out that he's like the fifth best SG in the league who's last name starts with the letter B: Baker, Balentine, Beane, and Bohannon are all better than Brown.

Brenton Scott is pretty skilled as well. Matt Van Cyclops and Kris Smith are nice role players, but they really have nothing in the paint. Certainly a team that is talented enough to be dangerous, but not consistently so.

[SHOXAAC]

Size doesn’t always matter; just ask my wife. :)

I already have.

[Dave Stalwart]

I would say Indiana State has a very nice "valley sized" load of talent. The problem is that what will cut it in the valley is usually not necessarily a contender type team. It's easy to look at why they've done so far in valley play and think to yourself they might be emerging. It's kinda like how SIU duped me into thinking they were back by playing literally the worst schedule in all of history.
I like Indiana state and I always enjoy seeing them do well. They may be pretty solid, but again, this conference needs 5 teams in the top 100 and the other 5 in the top 200 before there is anything to even talk about. Right now we have ONE team in the top 100 (alright fine Evansville is barely holding on in the upper 90s) and half the conference is hopelessly behind 200. This conference is as bad or worse than the MAC, Colonial, Horizon, Summit and Big West for goodness sake and If anyone is basing anything off of anyone's record against this conference, you will end up with a skewed sense of how good you are. If you don't WIN this league with very few or no losses at all, you aren't a contender.

Note to self, Jake White is playing in a better conference this year than we are.

The valley race 2-10 is like a big battle to determine who the best CBI level team is. Meanwhile there are two better postseason tournaments you aren't even invited to.

Again I like Indiana state but until they bring in a decent non conference showing with all their talent, there's nothing to go on. Same goes for the rest of the MVC. Keeping your head barely above water in this conference doesn't mean you have a good team sometimes, but the stats may look that way...

[ShockerFever]

The ISUb fans on this board have always been great but some of the fans on their board are getting a bit too big for their britches. Would love a reality check for them on Sunday. Has anyone mentioned ISUb's "We Want Wichita" chant yet? Put that one on the bulletin board.

100% agreed. IndyTreeFan is a solid contributor over here and at the MVCfans board as well. But there's quite a few of them that just act like whiny, little bitches. That one year they got hot in St. Louis has really propelled some of them into thinking they're some sort of force.

With all that said, I think Lansing is a hell of a coach and gets the most he can out of a really low-majorish athletic department. I'm surprised he doesn't get more looks. However, the Evansvilling that's been going on with that program has been hard to ignore lately. This is at least the 3rd straight year where they tanked in the non-con and then acted like they finally had a pulse once Valley play started. Dumb.