Alabama game

[SB Shock]

I love it how many of our fans are saying we must win the Vary Tournament to get in the NCAA tournament. It is still November. We have played 5 games with roughly 30 games to go. So many games left to know this. So many variables to know what the at large bubble will look like. Step away from the keyboard please!

Yes and no. It is not correct that WSU had to win this tournament. But this tournament is important for getting quality non-conference wins so you can have at-large resume. What these losses do is this:

1. Knock WSU out of the Top 25 and thus depriving it of national media attention.
2. Decreases the margin for WSU to get at-large bid. With WSU schedule that margin looks to be 8 losses (that could increase or decrease slightly depending on how opponents end up performing for the season).

But If WSU could win sunday - that would get them a quality victory. Help should be arriving in a couple weeks with CF and hopefully FV is healing quickly. If WSU then can run off some long strings of victories and some of the MVC teams can do well in non-conference and be quality wins for WSU, then WSU can be dancing. But they have to win some games.

[SHOXAAC]

im not at all trying to be negative, i just feel like people should be able to come and ask questions on this board without being berated by asshole comments like "your question was dumb" thats really improper forum etiquette and makes people feel unwelcome.

but enough with the back and forth all prayers to grady, nows not the time for negativity

I fully agree about Grady.

I have been berated much worse by Fever and a couple of others, but have never physically threatened (I doubt I could carry through anyway)or been phisically threatened in PM. I took a pic of it before you deleted it. I also agree now is not the time for negativity. Now, moving forward.

[OregonShocker]

I see lots of opportunity here to capitalize on. Young guys who would most likely sit on the bench are getting solid minutes on the floor and experience in a live situation. Fred will be back, that's guaranteed. Conner will be available soon, that's guaranteed. The team should be much better in a month or so. WSU will hit the conference schedule and tournament with a roster much stronger than it was, and with a bench that has more experience than it ought to have. I would much rather have the wins, and the top 10 ranking still, that's a no brainer obviously.

I also think there is some value in giving these underclassmen some adversity to fight through, and maybe develop their own chip that Fred, Ron, Evan and the rest have had since they were Freshmen. Some of these new guys are coming from a little different mold, a little bit more praise and expectation out of High School. Maybe a 2-3 start and being unranked is something to make em' play angry.

All said and done, this is not the season any of us expected, and it's difficult to swallow. I'm more devastated for the players like Fred and Landry who have to miss games. Their effort and preparation to be ready for this season doesn't deserve the outcome of injury. It's just not fair for them. This injury to Anton made me sick to my stomach, and I just couldn't stop thinking about him and hoping he is alright. At that point, I was just done with the game, win or lose, I just wanted him to be ok. I can't imagine being a player and trying to win a game at that point.

I agree; this is a VALUABLE learning opportunity; there's stuff you learn in games that you just can't get from even the most intense practice. With FVV giving instruction, hopefully they will learn the RIGHT things and not develop bad habits or lose confidence (the biggest concerns in early PT cases). Having said that, as much respect as I have for JR Simon, he will not lead us to a deep NCAA run, let alone a FF. We need some underclassmen to learn "the FVV way" quickly. Only so many games can be spent "learning."

[BOBB]

Lost 9 games in '12-'13 including three straight in Valley play. A LOT of basketball to play.

Let's hope Anton's situation resolves itself positively and quickly. I witnessed an injury of a young girl at work where her head/neck was slammed by someone coming down a water slide. She had no feeling/movement for a day and was up and at 'em two days later. Very scary stuff.

[wusphlash]

What would our shooting percentage be if we made our shots inside 4 feet? Probably respectable.

[forevershockerfan]

First and foremost, we pray for Anton. Basketball is a game and his well-being is much more important to us all. It brought tears to our eyes as we see one of our players hurt like that and I hope and pray he will be okay.

Next, in this game we started out 1-9 from the field as so yesterday. As yesterday, MM came in and gave us a big boost scoring and rebounding. Taylor did not have any turnovers and 6 assists which was nice. Credit Alabama for defending Baker far better than USC did yesterday. We are getting on the offensive boards which is nice but shooting around 31% from the field in this tourney and today we got rang up for lots more fouls than Alabama did.

Sunday a.m. at 9 we will play either Iowa or Notre Dame. Whomever it is will also be wanting to walk away with a win at this Tourney. It has been along time since we have lost 2 in a row and we will right this ship and win the next one, come home, get healthy, and start winning the way we are very capable and able to do.

[RoyalShock]

I think you read it wrong. The defense knocking it out of bounds is one of the times the 10 second clock does not reset.

However if the team with the ball calls a time out, the 10 second clock does reset.

So what happens if the defense knocks it out out bounds and the team with the ball calls a time out before inbounding? Does it reset?

That is irritating, because ever since the rule changes were announced, every time it was reported we were told that the offense could not bail themselves out and reset the 10 seconds by calling a timeout. Am I imagining that?

[shockerfanmas]

It's irrelevant at this point, but I told you guys I'd get a final answer regarding the 10 second question earlier. I talked to a local official who has done some D1 games, and this is what he told me:

In this situation, the ball was knocked out of bounds by Wichita State. Normally the count would not reset. However, there was a timeout immediately after the ball was knocked out of bounds. The question is what kind of timeout was it? If it was an under 12, under 8, whatever, media timeout, the count should not have reset. If Alabama called a timeout, the count would reset. Apparently, Alabama called a timeout that was turned into the media timeout. Therefore, the 10 second count reset because of that.

I don't recall Alabama calling timeout after the ball was knocked out of bounds, I'd have to go back and watch the replay.

[shockerfanmas]

That is irritating, because ever since the rule changes were announced, every time it was reported we were told that the offense could not bail themselves out and reset the 10 seconds by calling a timeout. Am I imagining that?

This is where I have a problem with the rule too. If a team is playing great defense and forces a team to call a timeout to avoid a 10 second violation, and the count resets, how is that rewarding the defense? To me, that's bailing out the offense. If knocking the ball out of bounds doesn't cause the count to reset, then neither should the offense calling a timeout. This just seems like more hypocrisy from the NCAA.

[RoyalShock]

This is where I have a problem with the rule too. If a team is playing great defense and forces a team to call a timeout to avoid a 10 second violation, and the count resets, how is that rewarding the defense? To me, that's bailing out the offense. If knocking the ball out of bounds doesn't cause the count to reset, then neither should the offense calling a timeout. This just seems like more hypocrisy from the NCAA.

I agree. But am I imagining how that rule change was reported?

[shockerfanmas]

I agree. But am I imagining how that rule change was reported?

No, you're not. I was also under the impression it had been said that a timeout or a ball knocked out of bounds would not reset the 10 second count. I'm still befuddled by the whole damn rule.

[Ta Town Shocker]

It's irrelevant at this point, but I told you guys I'd get a final answer regarding the 10 second question earlier. I talked to a local official who has done some D1 games, and this is what he told me:

In this situation, the ball was knocked out of bounds by Wichita State. Normally the count would not reset. However, there was a timeout immediately after the ball was knocked out of bounds. The question is what kind of timeout was it? If it was an under 12, under 8, whatever, media timeout, the count should not have reset. If Alabama called a timeout, the count would reset. Apparently, Alabama called a timeout that was turned into the media timeout. Therefore, the 10 second count reset because of that.

I don't recall Alabama calling timeout after the ball was knocked out of bounds, I'd have to go back and watch the replay.

I was sitting right behind Avery Johnson and he definitely called a timeout. He had a grin on his face and emphatically told his assistants I just bought 10 more seconds.

[ShockBand]

This is where I have a problem with the rule too. If a team is playing great defense and forces a team to call a timeout to avoid a 10 second violation, and the count resets, how is that rewarding the defense? To me, that's bailing out the offense. If knocking the ball out of bounds doesn't cause the count to reset, then neither should the offense calling a timeout. This just seems like more hypocrisy from the NCAA.

I agree. The only time it should reset is if either the defensive team or officials call a timeout. Basically only if the stoppage was NOT due to something negative from the offense.

[proshox]

I agree. But am I imagining how that rule change was reported?

No, not at all. Every time I read about this rule, it was "there are no resets of the 10 second clock."

[shockerfanmas]

I was sitting right behind Avery Johnson and he definitely called a timeout. He had a grin on his face and emphatically told his assistants I just bought 10 more seconds.

Thanks for that information. That being said, we've all been wrong, and it wasn't a 10 second violation. Smart by Avery to know that the rule hasn't changed and he can still bail his team out by calling time out. I think it's crap, but if I were coaching, I'd do the same thing.