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  • Loyola and Evansville AAR

    Sorry I'm way late on this and won't spend much time on Evansville since I wrote a pretty detailed AAR on the trip last year, but here goes:

    The trip: Cheap, cheap flights to Chicago are abundant either from Wichita or KC when you book early. Just don't book the last flight out for the evening for two reasons: game times are subject to change(which can lead one to driving like Elwood and Jake through the streets of Chicago to get to their gate) and flights in and out of both Midway and O'Hare get weathered out in Dec-Feb as often as Zelton Sneed makes the wrong call...lots. Also unless you are going to visit a great Aunt outside the metro, don't rent a car IMHO. It costs a fortune to park at most downtown hotels and the L, Buses and cabs can get you anywhere you want to go without the albatross of traffic and liability hanging over your head. Also, tons of great hotel deals to be had even on the Magnificient Mile during the Winter....rooms are vacant and plentiful and Priceline, Expedia, Hotwire all have some decent bidding wars going on. If that doesn't fit your modus operandi, call the hotel direct and tell them what you want to pay and you just never know. Much to do there obviously and just a really fun place. Good roadie to take the spouse or family, can't run of out sights to see or places to eat. For deep dish pizza I recommend either Genos East or Lou Malnatis, both were phenomenal with good service and respectable prices.

    The venue: Gentile Arena (hooked onto the Student Union) is a very new, cozy (slightly over 4,000 capacity) setting that has all the makings of a damn tough place for visitors to play....if the fans would show up. There were probably 400-500 empty seats which isn't too impressive considering a top 15 team was in town to play the best team your school has produced in many years. Couple that with the fact that there were probably 800-1000 Shocker fans there and it really makes you wonder what would sell the place out. Students were decent and it looks like there is a core fanbase that has weathered the storm of bad years, but until the Ramblers figure out how they are going to compete and win over the sports dollar in a city with lots of options, not sure how much better the crowds will be. Too bad, because I like this choice for the Valley, I like Coach Moser, and I think the potential is there for this program to have an annual top 75-100 program. The academic reputation of the school is fantastic, the alumni appear loaded, and the talent pool of players is never ending in the area. Oh and they serve beer and wine and the concessions are cheap, so that rocks as well.

    The game: Started off with a prayer where the Sister asked God for the ability for the Ramblers to jump hire than the Shockers and win the battle of the boards. All I could think of was Block Out Jesus, a variation of the Notre Dame football icon. An A Capella student group sang the national anthem and not sure I have ever heard a better rendition in my many years of sporting events.
    The game has already been dissected like an 8th grade biology class earthworm, but I will point out a couple of things. FVV has a locked in competitive gear I saw up close that almost says out loud, "Here I am Chicago, here is my team and program, and you need to understand that this is what we do, what I do and as much as I love this area, this is what college basketball is about and I have it and you don't". Evan made a three late in the game on a shot clock play and Fred just looked at the bench like a proud grandpa adoringly looks over his successful family. Wish I had a picture of that because it would be up on my wall in my office forever scriptwriting the fruits of leadership in a single photo. :untroubled: The other unique (at least to me) observation I derived from the game is the genuine respect the other teams seemed to have for Tekele not only defensively but his character as well. They just seem to enjoy playing against him because his game is not trash talk, grabbing and holding, and whining to the refs-it's just athleticism, hard work, and intuition. Damned if I didn't post this too late because DJ Balentine said the exact same thing yesterday I was thinking last Sunday.

    A couple of quick notes on Evansville: I cannot believe they had the upper sections blocked off. That is from a program that once could get 10k average per game for six straight seasons. I get it that they are not the top 1-2 in the league, but they are good enough that they should be drawing what they had yesterday for us on a regular basis and at least 9k for a ranked team. I mean WTF else is there to do there? That's the argument people make about Wichita isn't it? Also, great experience going on road trips. I almost, in fact sometimes do, enjoy the road attendance as much as the home games. You feel more like a part of the program sans the corporate fat cats and the Splurge crowd you get at Koch. I truly, truly recommend you Netters to go to at least one road game a year and you will see what I mean.

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    Son and i went to the Loyola game. We also thought it was a great showing of Shocker fans.

    My son thought that the student section, at some point in the first half, was chanting, "twist that ankle." I thought they were chanting, "fix that hair."
    The chant was directed toward Ron Baker.

    Anyone else catch what they may have been chanting, particularly in the first half.

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    • #3
      Hey @1972Shocker: how's this for an ultimate Roadie: Frostbite Falls 30 Jan to watch the Lady Shocks @7 pm, then catch the men the next afternoon, and finally the Drakes @1 pm on Sunday? Thinking real seriously about it since I am already going to the mens game.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mattdalt View Post
        Son and i went to the Loyola game. We also thought it was a great showing of Shocker fans.

        My son thought that the student section, at some point in the first half, was chanting, "twist that ankle." I thought they were chanting, "fix that hair."
        The chant was directed toward Ron Baker.

        Anyone else catch what they may have been chanting, particularly in the first half.
        It was either 5th grade haircut or fifth rate haircut, not sure which.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shoxlax View Post
          Hey @1972Shocker how's this for an ultimate Roadie: Frostbite Falls 30 Jan to watch the Lady Shocks @7 pm, then catch the men the next afternoon, and finally the Drakes @1 pm on Sunday? Thinking real seriously about it since I am already going to the mens game.
          That would be a great roadie if you are luck enough to survive the weather. The great thing about that is your catching road games with both the Men and the Women's primary contenders for Valley titles this year. If you do that trip and the Shocks win all 3 games you should receive the Shocker Order of Merit medal.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by shoxlax View Post
            An A Capella student group sang the national anthem and not sure I have ever heard a better rendition in my many years of sporting events.
            Thanks @shoxlax:, that was outstanding! You can listen here at 0:57:00 of the podcast.

            Last edited by WstateU; January 20, 2015, 12:05 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by shoxlax View Post
              A couple of quick notes on Evansville: I cannot believe they had the upper sections blocked off. That is from a program that once could get 10k average per game for six straight seasons. I get it that they are not the top 1-2 in the league, but they are good enough that they should be drawing what they had yesterday for us on a regular basis and at least 9k for a ranked team. I mean WTF else is there to do there? That's the argument people make about Wichita isn't it? Also, great experience going on road trips. I almost, in fact sometimes do, enjoy the road attendance as much as the home games. You feel more like a part of the program sans the corporate fat cats and the Splurge crowd you get at Koch. I truly, truly recommend you Netters to go to at least one road game a year and you will see what I mean.
              Love reading your summaries of road games. I just wanted to echo the point about blocking off the upper areas. They definitely did not do that last year. Absolutely ridiculous.

              Lots of people have said this in the past few weeks. The key really is to plan early. The evansville tickets were $17 for second row seats if you bought them early enough.

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              • #8
                As an Aces fan, I feel like I should reply here. First, thanks for making the trip, you guys have an outstanding team and coach and should be proud. I posted on here last year how much respect I have for Wichita State, what you guys have done is incredible.

                As far as the Aces attendance woes, it's been discussed ad nausem for years and years on our message board. The biggest problem is that the Aces have developed the reputation of a "loser" in the town with the average sports fan over the last 15 years. They have pretty much written off the program and have moved on to other things. A lot of the younger people have abandoned them in order to support the dumb minor league hockey team the town has. They also play at the Ford Center. However a lot of people just sit at home and watch basketball on TV, mostly IU and UK. Evansville is supposedly the most obese city in the US, so there is certainly a lot of sitting around happening here.

                Another problem from what I've heard, is that a lot of people don't want to watch Martyball. That is dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket running the clock down and watching DJ throw up a wild prayer as the clock expires. Or passing up wide open jump shots in order to get the "perfect look" which against good teams, never happens. Personally, I'm sick of it to, and you can read a lot more about it on the Evansville fan forum if you want.

                They are going to have to do something big to ever start winning people over. As I was walking out of the game yesterday I overheard several people say they would never come to a game again. :( That's what we are dealing with.

                Good luck the rest of the way.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                  As an Aces fan, I feel like I should reply here. First, thanks for making the trip, you guys have an outstanding team and coach and should be proud. I posted on here last year how much respect I have for Wichita State, what you guys have done is incredible.

                  As far as the Aces attendance woes, it's been discussed ad nausem for years and years on our message board. The biggest problem is that the Aces have developed the reputation of a "loser" in the town with the average sports fan over the last 15 years. They have pretty much written off the program and have moved on to other things. A lot of the younger people have abandoned them in order to support the dumb minor league hockey team the town has. They also play at the Ford Center. However a lot of people just sit at home and watch basketball on TV, mostly IU and UK. Evansville is supposedly the most obese city in the US, so there is certainly a lot of sitting around happening here.

                  Another problem from what I've heard, is that a lot of people don't want to watch Martyball. That is dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket running the clock down and watching DJ throw up a wild prayer as the clock expires. Or passing up wide open jump shots in order to get the "perfect look" which against good teams, never happens. Personally, I'm sick of it to, and you can read a lot more about it on the Evansville fan forum if you want.

                  They are going to have to do something big to ever start winning people over. As I was walking out of the game yesterday I overheard several people say they would never come to a game again. :( That's what we are dealing with.

                  Good luck the rest of the way.
                  Good luck to you as well. Unfortunately, apathy is probable a worse situation than anger among a fan base or community. At least an angry fan base cares.
                  I suppose UE status as a private university works against it. How large of an alumni base does Evansville have in the area?

                  Enjoyed my short visit this past October to Evansville for the Shocker vs Aces Volleyball match. Nice campus. Enjoyed the pizza at Turoni's. The city itself was quite a bit more substantial than I realized although we did not explore the city to any great degree on that trip.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks!

                    Yeah, I agree, apathy is really the worst possible thing. Unfortunately, UE doesn't have that strong of an alumni base in Evansville because the school is just so small (only about 2,200 undergrad I believe this year). Over the past 15 years the school has gotten away from trying to bring in students from the Tri-State area and has moved more to bringing in more international students, which is part of the reason for the terrible student attendance. A lot of UE students come in from all over the world, don't really like Evansville and are anxious to get out. There are still some who stay and are loyal, but there just aren't enough of us at this point.

                    The attendance at UE games was never driven by students or UE grads though. It was just the average Joe who loved basketball that came to the games and really got behind the team. Losing and lack of exposure (no local TV games) have been the real killers of that.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                      Thanks!

                      Yeah, I agree, apathy is really the worst possible thing. Unfortunately, UE doesn't have that strong of an alumni base in Evansville because the school is just so small (only about 2,200 undergrad I believe this year). Over the past 15 years the school has gotten away from trying to bring in students from the Tri-State area and has moved more to bringing in more international students, which is part of the reason for the terrible student attendance. A lot of UE students come in from all over the world, don't really like Evansville and are anxious to get out. There are still some who stay and are loyal, but there just aren't enough of us at this point.

                      The attendance at UE games was never driven by students or UE grads though. It was just the average Joe who loved basketball that came to the games and really got behind the team. Losing and lack of exposure (no local TV games) have been the real killers of that.
                      On the other hand, you still have the rest of this year with some really good players and you get them back next year.

                      I've been surprised at some of the struggles lately and I think the team is still going to pull it together and finish third, ahead of Loyola and ILL St. This is going to be a top 100 season and it is going to be followed by another one next year. You seriously do have two of the best players in the league. The big thing will be finding a way to piece it back together after Mock and Balentine leave and if Marty can stay an upper half team for several years, I think the fans might respond.

                      Hey, you managed to replace Colt Ryan when that seemed impossible. It can be done again. And I think you are headed for a top 50 season next year.

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                      • #12
                        They desperately need to can Marty this offseason and bring in someone who has a chance to win big next year with that talent. Doubt it will happen though.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Play Angry View Post
                          They desperately need to can Marty this offseason and bring in someone who has a chance to win big next year with that talent. Doubt it will happen though.
                          Marty's probably the best they can get, but Jim Crews should be available again shortly.
                          "Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
                          -John Wooden

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DJ06Shocker View Post
                            On the other hand, you still have the rest of this year with some really good players and you get them back next year.

                            I've been surprised at some of the struggles lately and I think the team is still going to pull it together and finish third, ahead of Loyola and ILL St. This is going to be a top 100 season and it is going to be followed by another one next year. You seriously do have two of the best players in the league. The big thing will be finding a way to piece it back together after Mock and Balentine leave and if Marty can stay an upper half team for several years, I think the fans might respond.

                            Hey, you managed to replace Colt Ryan when that seemed impossible. It can be done again. And I think you are headed for a top 50 season next year.
                            Losing Brzoja for 3-4 weeks may really hurt Evansville. It is tough enough to stop Balentine and E-Mock without much of a supporting case. Brzoja gave them a 3rd legitimate threat that you had to account for making it that much tougher to focus on the DJ and the Big E.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                              Losing Brzoja for 3-4 weeks may really hurt Evansville. It is tough enough to stop Balentine and E-Mock without much of a supporting case. Brzoja gave them a 3rd legitimate threat that you had to account for making it that much tougher to focus on the DJ and the Big E.
                              Well shoot... I guess if nothing else they will be able to do the exact opposite of "Evansvilleing" the MVC. This year they will be bringing in a high rpi that the MVC can gobble up and raise the stock of everyone else. Now that is a crazy turn of events.

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